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  Should you write to the society?

  by sleepy in

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  when someone comes across something in the "truth" that disterbs them should they write to the society or is this pointless?.

  i think they should write for several reasons.. 1.you must give them at least a chance to present their side of the story.it is no good just relying for others for your information you can not be shure what the society really belive until you hear it from them yourself.. wasn't just relying on the judgement of others part of what got you in in the first place.. its good for us to try and advance in our way of thinking during life and part of this involves doing our own research which is not complete until we go to the source of our conflict.. also if you bring up the point with someone it gives more weight to your argument if mention you wrote to the society and this was their answer.. 2. the more poeple that write in with the same points the more difficult it will be for them to hold to an erroneous stand.. the more different people that write the more ways of expresing the point will be heared different ways will make sence to different people.. remember its not just the same person answering all letters but different people who will have to do research an answer your point, which could make them think.. (this assumes that the society is genuinely mistaken and not corupt, although it could be a bit of both).

  of cource if you do not want hassle off your elders dont tell the society you are a brother/sister or just give a different name ,prehaps you could give the address of your place of work or somewhere else if you don't want to be traced easily.. in my case i just made it sound like i was an intrested person.. or you could make out that you need some help in presenting the societies case to an intrested person who has quetions.

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  Ozziepost

  Elders being deleted or no longer serving or whatever being referred to as "stepping down" has long irked me. As an elder I always, where I could, corrected bros/sis for using the term. As you rightly point out, it implies that they have a lofty position from which to "step down" from, so when were they elevated?
  I wonder if anyone knows where it originated?

  I can only surmise that this expression is a reflection of the class reality, which exists is the organisation, and is supported by…

  1. Comparing the positions of elders with that of 'princes' in this paper kingdom, and the greater one to come.

  2. The term overseer and elder are interchangeable.

  3. JW's give their talks from raised platforms, and elder's do most of the talking.

  4. Every JW knows the hierarchy is structured with God at the top, and that direction feeds downward through the offices. To deny this structure denies the congregation's raison d'etre. Therefore the 'step up/step down' is well known to be humblising talk and nothing serious. The best example starts with the WT view of women, "the head of the woman is the man". This is extended to "the head of the congregation is the Christ". This analogy probably gets misapplied, in the minds of dubs, to justify why they feel like "the comely feet" while elders are the "heads" of the local body.

  5. The WTBTS has constructed a class-based theology in respect of salvation and judgment (GT crowd/144,000), and implicit in this view are the notions of 'upper' and 'lower'.

  I am sure that any elder describing his own resignation as a 'step up', would be seen by the congregation as glorifying himself.

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  what did you do first

  by nytelecom1 in

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  what did you do first?.

  contributing to the 4/10 of the world worldwide work.

  going out in service

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  I told the PO I didn't want to be a MS anymore. Other elders told me I should stay on, despite having 'doubts'. Next thing, I had a call from the secretary, did i want to cancel my regualar contribution order. I thought for a few seconds and said "yes please". I never went on FS again.

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  A STRONG ORGANIZATION NEEDS NOT TO HIDE ANYTHING

  by friendorfoe in

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  i have been able to keep my feelings about the jw organization on the back burner for several years now after going thru therapy and several sleepless years but now its time to speak my peace.

  this is my third time on this board and the sneaking and cover-ups of the organization disgusts me.

  you would think that if they had god behind them that much no matter what happened within the organization they would deal with it the proper way including contacting the authortities when required they might get more respect from the outside.. i was always taught it was wrong to judge other people but it was the elders passing judgement and not god that ran me away.. to sum it up they are worried about the outside world judging the organization but they better pray that jehovah isn't half as judgemental as they are.

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  Hi Friend...

  Welcome! I think a strong organisation needs to keep some secrets without appearing to be secretive. But I'm sure GOD'S organisation ought to be open and honest in its dealings and policies, which the WTBTS isn't.

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  Timewasting guide to Field Service.

  by philo in

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  here's my list of experiences and comments about time-wasting on dub field ministry.

  it's a bit raw; sorry i haven't prosed it up.. -------------------------------------------------------------.

  taking a personal interest in the householder.

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  Here's my list of experiences and comments about time-wasting on dub field ministry. It's a bit raw; sorry I haven't prosed it up.

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  Taking a personal interest in the householder
  Writing pages of notes about them, their cat, their driveway, their smile, comments about their car, children's names, milk order.
  Weave this into a personal door to door diary of a 'zealous' pioneer
  I once had a list of notes so full, it amounted to homespun psychological survey of virtually a whole street, and it was wonderful how common problems seemed to have cross-pollinated. I spent hours sitting on my car, poring over those notes. Tick, tick, tick - oh look at the time
  Tea and bikki callsold dears who are lonely, and tell you so.
  But you have to pretend to evangelise (to count your time) while they pretend not to be uninterested (so you can come back)
  "Yes, I know you read your bible, Edith…I SAID, I KNOW…" Tick, tick, tick

  My Pioneer Partner had an old man RV for years, and found out this bloke was gay when he put his hand on his knee, one day. He still went back there (but a little less often).

  Slow walking
  Having in-depth spiritual discussions about American football, like anyone cares? Walking at the slowest pace of the slowest dub - out of humility. You would think we were trying to delay Armageddon from our 'diligence' on field ministry. Tick, tick, tick
  Miming a door knock, or a bell press, or knocking so gently it makes no difference
  Walking up a driveway to the top, checking the curtains, and deciding to discreetly walk back again without knocking. Tick, tick, tick

  Gossiping: worshipping, horsewhipping. Anyway, when a house was NH. There was never ANY hurry about moving on, especially when preaching with the CO. You could stand for five-ten minutes blabbering away before The Spirit impelled you onwards.
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  We all just wanted to be somewhere, anywhere else. And while we looked like robots on the ouside, when we were time-wasting...

  we were miles away.

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  hello?

  by ballistic in

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  just thought i'd ask if anyone was from england?

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  Hi 'Stick

  I'm from the South also, but nearer to civilisation than ye. Hope you enjoy the company here.

  Slayer, over here 'crumpet' means: totty, action, ass. So we 'smell of crumpet', eh?

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  Newbie in the house

  by Stealth in

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  i have been lurking for a few months now.

  the only reason that i have not posted until now is because of the paranoia that comes with being raised a jw.

  my current status in the congregation is irregular, reaching out for the office of inactive.

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  A warm welcome, Stealth.

  Did you know that the WT's 606 became 607 when they realised they had miscounted (due to the 'year zero'). The date that came first was 1914 ANYWAY, without that, there would have been no need for 607 at all. It's all epoch-making retrospective prophecying.

  'n it turns me ON.

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  Your help please!

  by nicolaou in

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  here in the uk we have an excellent free online service called faxyourmp.com.

  http://www.faxyourmp.com/.

  it enables all citizens to get in touch directly with their elected member of parliament.. for the dnc project, i'd like to know of equivalent online facilities in other countries - can you help?.

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  Ballistic

  Welcome! Like your name. DNC can be found at

  http.www.do-not-call.org

  If you want to join in the project, simply apply to Nik.

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  A Tasty Lil Bit O' Gossip.

  by Englishman in

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  here's a picture of the late sir john fieldhouse during his time as an admiral in the royal navy.

  he later became first sea lord and was in charge of operations during the falklands war when england and argentina slugged it out in the south atlantic back in '82.

  his wife shown here is lady fieldhouse - known to her friends as midge - who is a very active jehovahs witness residing in lee on solent, near portsmouth.

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  Neko, You know exactly where you can put the British navy, don't you?

  Seriously, it seems to me that the British have the only valid claim on the islands. Argentina's claims are based on spurious siteings from sailing vessels, and an aquisitivness of being nearby..

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  A Tasty Lil Bit O' Gossip.

  by Englishman in

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  here's a picture of the late sir john fieldhouse during his time as an admiral in the royal navy.

  he later became first sea lord and was in charge of operations during the falklands war when england and argentina slugged it out in the south atlantic back in '82.

  his wife shown here is lady fieldhouse - known to her friends as midge - who is a very active jehovahs witness residing in lee on solent, near portsmouth.

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  OK, so having demonstrated my complete ignorance, here's a slightly more informed summary.

  They were first landed by the British in 1765 long before Argentina became an independent state. Since about 1900 the argies have claimed sovereignty, but the British have told 'em to get notted.

  Personally, I have no problem with that. Also, I found nothing about a lease.

  http://www.yendor.com/vanished/falklands-war.html
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  A Tasty Lil Bit O' Gossip.

  by Englishman in

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  here's a picture of the late sir john fieldhouse during his time as an admiral in the royal navy.

  he later became first sea lord and was in charge of operations during the falklands war when england and argentina slugged it out in the south atlantic back in '82.

  his wife shown here is lady fieldhouse - known to her friends as midge - who is a very active jehovahs witness residing in lee on solent, near portsmouth.

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  Hippikon, I though it went like this. Britain took the Malvinas unfair and square in the time-honoured way, with the threat of heavy cannon. Nobody seemed to mind much, there weren't even sheep there at the time. They called it Falklands; whose name came first? For some reason, a leasing arrangement was signed later on, probably a diplomatic move when the world was at war. But I didn't realise the British violated the terms of the lease, is that right?

  philo