Posts by outoftheorg

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How much before a person snaps?

by MrMoe in

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just wondering, cause i think i just may.

so how much pressure can a person take before they go insane?

what is the human mid capable of?

outoftheorg

Hi Mr. Moe.

You don't know me and I don't know you. But I do know what you are describing and it is very difficult to deal with alone. It sounds to me that other than the ones on this site you are alone in this time of trouble.

You owe your daughter your protection. You also owe yourself your protection. You are a valuable human and deserve the help you need. In times of severe mental strain the best course is to get professional help.

If you can not afford it there are sources for this help anyway. Your local department of health can direct you to the proper professional help.

Please look in to this. Seeking this kind of help at a time like this is not a sign of weakness it is the sensible thing to do.

If what you describe to us is truly your present state of mind. "please" seek out this source of help.

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DEMON LIVING IN KENTUCKEY K H

by plmkrzy in

this is serious stuff.

news bullitin!

demon rumored to be living in the toilets of kentuckey k h

outoftheorg

Hey guys, wouldn't it be fun if some kind of remote controled electronics could be snuck in to KH that would cause one to think the place was haunted by demons?

Get the picture of a crowd of jw's fleeing the kh in terror? Oh that would be so cool!

I wish I had the tech. know how to rig that up. Oh no, I would also need the balls to get in and do it.

Forget I even mentioned it.

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WERE YOU CONSIDERED A GOOD EXAMPLE?

by minimus in

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have you ever had to deal with the thought that you really weren't that good of an example?

perhaps, the congregation was encouraged to pioneer or reach out for bethel service or go to seldom worked territory, etc.

and when you applied, you were told that you didn't qualify.

outoftheorg

During the time I was an elder and before that I really tried to be the perfect witness. I was looked up to by the r&f. They would come to me for help and I would try to use common sense and what I knew of counseling. The worldly type, together with scriptures.

But you know, that really pissed off the elders. With one or two exceptions. I could never have their approval or acceptance. It got to where I totally lost respect for most of them.

I recall the CO asking for my key ring to open the KH. I had a lot of keys on it due to the business keys and others. He holds them up high and snottily declares you can tell this guy has lots of toys! The truth of the matter was I did not. I could hardly afford to have a car.

Damn I am so glad to be out of that mess!

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My uncle was found DEAD this morning

by Fire Dragon in

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my jw dad called me this morning and told me that he found my jw uncle dead, face-down on the floor in his home.

he's taking it hard.

i was shocked to hear him say that he wanted me to be with the family.

outoftheorg

Hello Fire.

Very sorry to hear of your loss. You are of course welcome to express your self here on this post. The suggestion of writing a letter to you uncle is a good time tested method of unloading grief. I also recommend it.

If I may make a suggestion here, do your best to be gracious and kind to all you encounter at the funeral etc. This might point out to your father and others the uncracious even hurtful attitude that some of the jw's will show.

This difference may plant a seed.

My older sister died 3 months ago. She is the one that took care of me for my first 5 Years. My mother had a breakdown and could not. Then when I was df'd she told me she could no longer even speak to me.

My son was in China on business and my relatives called him there to let him know. He knew non of them would call me so he called me from China to let me know.

Odd how twisted the jw world is.

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The Myth of Unconditional Love

by Oroborus21 in

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(or why god is a behaviourist) .

many well-meaning persons believe that the ideal state of love and relationship between two persons is one that is unconditional.

this is simply referred to as unconditional love and what is meant by a person subscribing to this belief is simply that: no conditions are attached to my loving you wholly.

outoftheorg

I agree with amazing.

For example I have a set of fraternal twins,"not identical" one is calm reasonable and a pleasure to be around. The other is obnoxious drinks too much, abuses drugs and people, to the point that I will not have him in my life. But I still love them both. I saw obnoxious recently and he tried to not be a jerk. He did not succeed very well. But I still hugged him and told him I was proud of his efforts to behave himself and not start a fight. Which he usually does. If something happens to him I will be as devastated as I would if it was the other twin.

I do hate some of his actions but I still love him.

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Hello I'm new here...

by Lapuce in

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i really love this web site and yes i'm a jw still, have been for 8 years now, i'm 35 and am married to a jw and have two boys one is 1-1/2 and the other 5. for about 2 to 3 years now i'm starting to see that its not really the truth.

the brothers, sisters and elders dont really care about anyone, the watchtower is ruining my life, i have been depressed for awhile now and i'm on anti depressants as i started feeling suicidal as i'll never be good enough as i hate meetings, i hate going door to door, and it doesn't make any sense that jehovah will destroy good people just because they don't follow its doctrins.

its like saving to your son if you don't do what i tell you i will kill you.

outoftheorg

Welcome Lapuce good to hear from you.

I was lost in the wbts from birth to 45yrs of age. So Its never too late to get out. I also had a case of clinical depression manifest itself. If you have suicidal thoughts be sure to find an MD and get the proper medication. It really works.

You have already read here a lot of very good advice. Don't be afraid of talking things out here. It is helping me even after 11 years out of the borg. As others have already said, take things slowly with your jw wife and others in your family.

Again welcome and wish you the best

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When Did Df'ing Start in Modern Times?

by simplesally in

since russell didn't tie the corporation into nice neat religious package and didn't ward off all other religions as evil, when did the practice of disfellowshipping start?.

when did they decided to formulate judicial committees and start reproving, marking and df'ing?

outoftheorg

If I remember correctly, the congregations were told of the new program of disfellowshipping in the very early 50s. This made it an official policy of the wbts but I think the shunning thing goes farther back than the 1950s. Then once it was instituted they added things to the list of offenses. The earliest addition I recall is the smoking issue being added to the original list.

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personal boundaries

by garybuss in

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the manageable human.

disassembling personal boundaries.

disassembling personal boundaries clears the way for abusive behavior.

outoftheorg

Francois in reply to you, I found a good start was to tell the elders that I no longer respected them. Did so by telling them they need the shxt kicked out of them. That got me out of the borg and since then I send every one I know to the internet and or distribute copies of what is on the internet.

This is a really good intelligent easy to understand post. Thanks for all the work and time you put into it.

Edited by - outoftheorg on 24 July 2002 17:24:57

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Your future dreams ( 5/10/20 yrs) -after the borg

by Cappuccino OC in

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now that you're out & free of the wts, (borg) what are your future plans and/ or dreams?

where do you see yourself 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years from now?

how many are happy with their carreers/jobs?

outoftheorg

In 5 yrs I hope the rest of my kids treat me ok.

In 10 yrs I hope my nieces and nephews will speak to me. Their parents my bro. will be dead by then

In 15 yrs I hope there is no wbts and every one will speak to me. Sooner would be ok.

In 20 yrs I will be 86 and I don't think I will give a damn.

IN THE MEANTIME I am going to enjoy life and have a grand old time with my new found freedom.

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Letter from UK MP

by Sirona in

there was a thread encouraging us all to write to our local mp regarding the child abuse issue.

i did this by email to my local mp terry lewis, mp for worsley, greater manchester, uk.. here is his response letter which i received today:.

23 july 2002. .

outoftheorg

I used the e mail option and sent a post to the parlimentarian and address you posted on this site.

My comment included a hope that the UK investigation might trigger the same in other countries.