Posts by JakeM2012

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Outsourcing of printing?

by Lynnie in

i heard through the grapevine this weekend that my second cousin and her husband made a trip to india to investigate possible outsourcing of printed docs for the wtbts.

he is a uber bethelite in the purchasing dept and my cousin is a good bethelite wife.

they were living in brooklyn but have been moved up to wallkill in the last few months.

One thing I could never figure was how most worldly presses are running most of the day AND night to pay for the cost. To me it is hard to justify millions for a press when you are going to use it part time. Watchtower has tried it all, expanding the printing countries and now contracting and just going with a few centralized printing areas around the world.

I know that they used to run the press in the morning and then shut it down for lunch. Because it takes some time for the press to get up to speed and warmed up, they finally started having lunch delivered to the press room. However, they still only run the presses for the one shift.

I could never understand that. Now maybe they will have everything printed in China with cheapo labor. WT has always had cheap labor but their standards including their meals and housing are more elevated than what a person would earn running a press making 50-60k a year would be able to afford. The other thing I could not ever get is how do you have 20 guys on the press and justify 1100 people at Watchtower Farms? What does the farm produce? Magazines.

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JWs Lack of Love and Feelings

by jemba in

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i have noticed the extreme lack of love in this group of people who preach love, love, love.. we recently had serious floods come through our area and the jws couldnt have cared less.

our 'worldly' friends did sooo much for us though.

raising money, giving gifts, cards, accomodation and so much support and hard work.. i personally think jws are one of the most insensitive, uncaring religions around.. three religious groups were absolutely wonderful during the flooding of our area.

JakeM2012

Unfortuneately, it is true and it appears to be getting worse. Recently I got an email from a sibling and they were telling how everyone at home was doing. One relatively young brother who used to be on the CA's as an extraordinary example had been diagnosed with a cancer and was receiving chemotherapy and radiation treatments.

All my sibling could talk about was the inactivity of the young person for the last 15 years and was also critical of his father for associating with him since his diagnosis. The young man, in his 40's, has most likely lost his hair and fingernails and is in constant nausea fighting for his life, and all that can be said about him is that "he was held up as the example to all of us, now he is inactive" and sick.

Extremely dark sentiments were expressed and the obvious lack of any "natural affection". My concern is that it seems that Jw's are becoming animalistic and cannabalistic with regards to their attitude of others.

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Re: 2013 annual meeting

by pixel in

remember, you read it here first!.

dear brothers: .

we are pleased to announce that arrangements are being made for all baptized and unbaptized publishers who read and write english, along with their minor children, to be invited to locations where they can hear the 2013 annual meeting program that will be presented on saturday, .

JakeM2012

Yes, broadcasting the annual meeting sounds like the first time that Chrysler Motors was in financial trouble and Lee Iocaca represented the company with their new K-car. Since then, many CEO's have taken the lead in advertising.

Watchtower is no different than any other company in trouble, now they want to parade the GB. Either that or the GB members want to parade themselves. Vanity. Next thing you know you'll be able to get a signed GB calendar and yearbook at the annual meeting.

Next new arrangement you will have is the passing of the cool-aid.

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For Bethelites or anyone who knows - 'Bethelites in foreign service'

by A question in

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what are bethelites in foreign service?

i've heard this term but do not know much about it.

is then when they start at bethel in their home county?

JakeM2012

Cool.

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For Bethelites or anyone who knows - 'Bethelites in foreign service'

by A question in

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what are bethelites in foreign service?

i've heard this term but do not know much about it.

is then when they start at bethel in their home county?

JakeM2012

Aquestion, Bethelites in foreign service is a Brooklyn term for when bethelites serving at their homeland branch would be asked to serve in a foreign country either on a temporary or permanent basis. For instance, when the society was building many of the branches that they have recently sold some of the overseers were sent from Brooklyn, Walkil, or Patterson to oversee the work. I believe that the Bethelites in foreign service still get the homeland monthly stippend. There are probably 16-20 different types of "Bethelites" ranging from several temporary statuses to Full Blown Bethelites with all the benefits, and evidently, bethelites in foreign service. The "full blown" bethelites that I knew that went overseas on "temporary" assignments could be overseas from 3 to 5 years before they returned to their Walkil home. I hope that this helps.

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1973 versus 2013 (40 years later)... How much confidence have J-Dubs lost in the Slave's "End-Time" estimations?

by Calebs Airplane in

back in 1973, when i was just a pre-teen, i remember that meetings in general were chock full of persecution talks, great tribulation talks and armageddon talks.

so much so, that there was a hightened sense of anticipation that the end was really just a few years away.

most j-dubs really believed, without any doubt, that freddy's estimation about armageddon in 1975 was a certainty (give or take a few months... not years).

JakeM2012

I was 10 in 1973 and remember the clock on the platform at the circuit assembly that was set to 3 1/2 minutes to 12:00 and the brothers loudly exclaiming, "36 more months, 36 more months Brothers until the Great Day of God Almighty". All I can say, is that what was said from the platform was alot more than whatever came out in print. And for all lurking doubters, it is not being exaggerated.

I hope that people will start to wake up to the fact that JW's religion has a "born on date" and is expired and is really starting to smell. I just can't believe that people will continue eating the same spoiled garbage, the so called "spiritual food" that didn't have a bit of truth to it then and has no chance of fulfillment as so stated now. It's like waiting for Elvis who died in 1977 to come out for an encore. Not going to happen.

Only comfort I see is that with all the branch closings maybe the old men behind the curtain realize the "end" is imminent,..... for them. Thank God.

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Resigned being an elder

by subytrek in

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i am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.

i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.

i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.

JakeM2012

Subytrek, Welcome to the forum, I congratulate you on the course you have taken. I also served as an elder and when word gets around that you are not serving anymore, it is interesting how people will treat you as insignificant, even invisible. There will be attempts to try to encourage you to serve again for awhile.

My wife has not gone to a meeting for a few years and is concerned about the problems if/when her parents find out. We have had very frank discussions about TTATT, and while I can say she agrees, I believe she is an apologist and I know I can't push the discussion much, just be content with where we're at.

I admire it that you woke up so early, I wish that I had, it would have saved me 20 years. Welcome again.

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I didn't expect to be here at age 49. Here as in my employment

by wha happened? in

it's been a terrible economy these last few years.

i had a very successful loan brokerage and watched that crash and burn in 2011. i went back to my previous firm in the computer industry that was struggling after i left.

it seemed like a good match.

JakeM2012

Wha happened? I'm 49, have similar experience of what you have gone through. In other words, "Been there done that" expecially with the "brother" business partners, the "spiritual and fleshly family" business partners, and while I have strong evidence that I consistantly gave them not only fair, but get this, an equal financial deal,... (oh lord, and why.) What did I receive? What could I expect from Bethelites and ex-Bethelites? Did I say family???: I got screwed, Big Time. As far as the withdrawl from activity in the company and watch you flounder from coping with dissatisfied customers, financial losses, lost accounts, as the economy contracted; just because they wanted to cash out of the company and go work at Bethel as a volunteer for nothing? I had to work for nothing in my "worldly" company, and they expected me to do that, but they would not work unless paid top dollar, even if they didn't show up, let alone for nothing. HaHa. I guess it was my priviledge to employ ex-Bethelites. They had a problem of saying what they wanted. No, they had a problem letting their yes mean yes and their No..,. No. . I guess this is what JW's have learned as their "Divine Education" at Bethel. Oh, I've learned alot also. When it comes to Brothers, RUN!!!!

The last years have been difficult, and 2013 has indicators that it will be the same or worse. I understand your pain, and all I can say is that you are not alone.

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WT Letter Regarding A Certain Elder

by Bangalore in

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bangalore.

JakeM2012

I know this brother personally, and very closely. So does Brandt Jones. Bro XXXd has only recently not been an elder; taken out by some young pompous ass COBE in Wimberly. Brother X0XX is 70 plus years old. Several in his family have seen the TTATT and I believe that Brother XXYX feels stuck. I also know his older sister, she is still active and she made the comment one time that she felt she wasted her whole life, but she "has too much invested" to leave the "truth" now. The family members that have remained active JW's seem to be paralysed in their inability to even go to work, let alone, plan for the future. It is sad.

This brother's fleshly brother was removed as a bookstudy conductor in the early 1970's because he would not teach 1975. (But the Society never said it) HA HA,. He said the scriptures say that "no man knows the day or hour". He also wrote letters to the society about 1975 as did others that I know; with hateful letters returned from Mother. The congregation is Alendale, and the PO was Roy Oatman. Roy is and was a company man, always looking for a way to make himself look better, a real suck up, even if it was at the expense of others.

BTW, the original letters written by Brother BXXX are on WTFacts.com. I have no idea how they got there. I hope to see him in the next few months and I will ask him if he knows these letters are on JWFacts and if he minds if his identity is disclosed. I just went to Jwfacts, and am having a difficult time finding them again. Sorry, I could not give you a link.

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Please restart 2013

by akafreelife in

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this year is not going so great.

lost my love, got forgotten on my birthday, car got hit the day before my birthday, car got hit yet again last weekend, and today i got a flat tire.

what the f did i do to karma to deserve this crap?

JakeM2012

Well I hope you saved a lot by switching to Geico.