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  Serious question: Can a Jehovahs Witness join a democratic non-religious organisation? If it's not political, can they vote?

  by The Quiet One in

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  e.g a nonprofit organisation that helps people, that requires its members to vote.

  is all voting evil and wrong, even if it's not a political party?.

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  Quiet one, I'm thinking off the top of my head Unions? I've never heard pubs getting into trouble for joining a union.
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  Am I wasting my time?

  by mrhhome in

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  i am the husband of an ex-jw.

  she left when she was 18, because she was dating a non-jw.

  they got married, and he began openly cheating on her.

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  Your my hero.
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  Letter to BOE re: baptism of my minor children

  by Michelle365 in

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  ok i posted about a month ago asking for advice on writing a letter to my former congregation regarding my children.

  my ex husband still goes to our old hall and although we have joint custody he is raising them to be good little jws on his time.

  i understand that in your organization age is not a determining factor in whether or not a person can get baptized, however as the young people ask book points out:

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  Happy said, "I would perhaps word it that 'legally' they are not old enough and that you will seek legal advice should your children decide to go ahead."

  I concur, unfortunately, threatening to seek legal advice is one thing most JW elders recognize. Perhaps you could infer that you have already consulted with legal advice and they suggested this simple letter.
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  A JW apologist writes about VAT 4956

  by VM44 in

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  a jw wrote the following in an attempt to discredit the evidence provided by vat 4956. comments on the author's logic would be appreciated.

  does vat 4956 prove 587?.

  many point to vat 4956 as proof that jerusalem was desolated in 587bce.

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  http://kristenfrihet.se/kf2/review.htm

  Carl Olof Jonnson himself weighs in on VAT4956
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  Mass Disfellowshippings of Inactive Ones

  by bytheirworks in

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  the word out of bethel is of a mass purge the likes of the 1980's.. there's also possible public reproofs handed out for irregular ones.. .

  the scriptures they are using to support this:.

  the very ones keeping away from you will perish.

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  Perhaps rumors like this are subconscious threats to the active ones to maintain or increase their activity, and not even think of fading?
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  Newspaper Article: Press Telegram-JWS BRING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO LONG BEACH - (JW beliefs discussed including date setting)

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.presstelegram.com/social-affairs/20130829/jehovahs-witnesses-bring-millions-of-dollars-to-long-beach#comments.

  go to the website to read the comments by xjws.. jehovahs witnesses bring millions of dollars to long beach.

  jehovah's witnesses hold a series of regional conventions in long beach every summer, bringing some 150,000 witnesses from across the southland over the course of 15 weekends.

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  "Every year, 150,000 to 180,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses hold their conventions here, generating an estimated $64.5 million in economic impact, according to the Long Beach Convention and Visitors Bureau."

  $64.5 million divided by 180,000=$358 per person. Total BS.

  $64.5 million divided by 150,000=$430 per person. Still more Total BS.
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  How I see it in JW land

  by tornapart in

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  they're tired... sooooo soooo tired.

  they know it's all wrong but they keep telling themselves how wonderful it is.

  almost as if they are trying to convince themselves.

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  " They are fatigued. Disillusioned. Apathetic. "

  And may I respectfully add,....

  They are increasingly growing bitter that the taught expections have rendered nothing in the last 130 years, and they are less intolerant of ones that have doubts of the FDS leadership, and certainly the lack of any literal fulfillments of said prophecy or their continueance to following such non-sense certainly reflects poorly on their intellect.

  Case in point: My mom baptised in 1934 at one of Rutherford's "Childrens" conventions, is sticking with the FDS no matter what, but she is bitter and hateful with a "True Christian" smile. And while not able to live in the same state, I still love her.

  Endearing qualities.
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  What did Stephen Lett say about Apostates? (Video)

  by Iamallcool in

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  Lett said, "If you accept counterfeit money, you lose money. But if you accept the counterfeit words of apostates you could lose your life. We must beware of this voice of strangers. But you know sadly some even among Jehovah’s have foolishly reasoned that would be beneficial to give ear to the voice of apostates. They thought, if I read his book, if I listen to him on the television, if I listen to him via the computer then I’ll be able to see how wrong they are, and actually it will build up my faith, and if I ever encounter this king of reasoning out in the ministry I’ll be better able to refute it. Well dear friends, that kind of reasoning is very foolish."

  They are still being bit in the butt by Ray Franz book. "Priceless"

  LOL
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  Lurkers/faders in the US - a heads up on next week's service meeting (Warwick HQ project to be discussed)

  by cedars in

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  hi folks.

  atlantis has very kindly let me see a copy of the aug 21, 2013 letter to all bodies of elders in the united states.. they are being instructed to re-organize the service meeting for the week commencing september 2nd (next week) to include a special recruitment talk to attract skilled volunteer workers for the new warwick hq.. an interesting feature of the letter is its comparison of the project with nehemiah's rebuilding of the walls of jerusalem.

  considering the relocation of hq is financially motivated more than anything, the analogy is more than a little bewildering.. here is a scan of the opening comments of the two-page outline, to be given in the next local needs item.... .

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  Tech49 "So my "contribution" to the project in Warwick would be several thousands directly out of pocket. In this economy, that's a pretty hard thing to ask of those who are just now beginning to rise up onto their feet again."

  I remember one brother that came to WT Farms in 1989. He owned his own company, and he was assigned to build out of sheet metal a mechanics parts washer that you could buy today at Northern Tool for $200. When I met him he was fuming mad that he paid so much for an airline ticket, left his family, left his business for 1-2 weeks. I doubt he ever came back. I know many elders that went and said they wouldn't ever go back.

  Interesting if you were hiring someone you couldn't ask hardly any of these questions legally, especially having a "secret recommendation" questionaire. It must be nice not to have to worry about EOE laws.
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  What is Ambient Abuse or Stealth Abuse?

  by Narcissistic Supply in

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  http://wiki.answers.com/q/what_is_ambient_or_stealth_abuse.

  this is a very tricky tactic used by an abusive person to make you crazy.

  since ambient abuse can not sometimes be visible the victim may believe they are so bad and or are going nuts.

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  Thansk NS, this is interesting for us that have been in abusive relationships. This describes my family to a tee, expecially one brother. He must have learned it in Bethel.