Posts by Drearyweather

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Illogicality of preaching

by venus in

not all scripture is god-breathed.

there are verses that also dishonor god.

for example, subject of preaching seems to be too illogical even though it is the very basis of many sects [especially of jw organization which defines itself as the preaching organization].

Drearyweather

Not all Scripture is God-breathed.

Since you say "Not All", do you have a list or do you know which scriptures are God breathed?

because what is done out of fear is mechanical and is also as good as nothing being done.

Do you believe in the concept of healthy fear? i.e. fear of being killed if you drink and drive, fear of losing your child to bad influences if not trained properly? Do you believe that the word 'fear' is always wrong?

‘If you do this we will do that for you’ which is a worldly attitude

Is asking someone to do something for something in return wrong? For e.g. to stay as a resident, you need to have all valid documents. Is the government wrong in demanding this? Is a Father wrong in telling his son, "If you need to stay in this house, you need to stop using drugs"

Result-wise too preaching is unnecessary as it accomplishes nothing because everyone already knows what is right and wrong. For example, people are quick to notice the wrong when it is committed by others

Is knowing what is right and what is wrong enough? or doing what is right and not doing what is wrong the main thing?

all of which are obviously the product of human thinking

Scriptures are from God, its incorrect interpretation is a product of human thinking.

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Grocery Store conversation with an elder

by problemaddict 2 in

i'm inactive here to the local jw's as i have faded.

i've been slandered and all that, shunned by some but not all, but the elders basically leave me alone.

i still run into to people all over though.

Drearyweather

problemaddict2

Nice reply.

However the strange thing here is before getting baptized we ourselves agree not to celebrate birthdays and also agree to the fact that elders will question us if we are found disobeying the WT rules!

So this was just a case of an elder doing his job; as technically you are still a JW on their list

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When is the last time you saw an educated middle class family become Jehovah's Witnesses?

by xjwsrock in

we know from casual observation that if anybody does respond to their preaching/recruiting work it is usually someone that is a social misfit in some way or a person that was indoctrinated early in life.. think about all the nicer neighborhoods witnesses preach in.

if a family of four with a father that is an engineer and a mother who is a medical professional ever walked into a kingdom hall for the first time and said they were studying, people would faint.

lol.... this of course isn't what you would expect from a religion backed by the ultimate intelligent creator.

Drearyweather

In all seriousness, though, have you ever seen an educated middle or upper middle class person or family join this religion?

See what the Bible says at 1 Cor. 1:26-28

Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called.Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,

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Getting your WT files deleted (UK)

by Splash in

the uk are tightening up their data protection laws to make it easier for individuals to get hold of the information organisations hold on them and to get it deleted.. i think paul grundy (jwfacts) went through this with wt once and found it very time consuming and difficult.. will wt now abide by the law and hand over or permanently delete the records it keeps when requested?it would mean every uk exjw could have their report card info, personal file with age, sex, baptism date, judicial information, appointment/deletion/disfellowshipping dates, letters of disassociation, letters of recommendation when you move, phone number and address permanently removed.

anyone acting for the wt (elders) who retain this information, eg your phone number in their phone or the secretary keeping your historical monthly report details, will be in violation.

failure to comply will incur a fine.. expect a letter to all boe's any time soon explaining why this does not apply to them.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40826062.

Drearyweather

AverageJoe1, In such cases, a person who does not tell his former congregation's name or tries to falsify his identity, puts himself in a sticky position. No one would appreciate a fraud in their congregation.

There are many who get disfellowshipped for Child Abuse, rape, money swindling and other heinous wrongdoings. Would you appreciate if such ones move to other congregations and try to hide their identity in the guise of the Data Protection Act? Should the WT simply delete all such information about such people?

WT did not have child abuse protection policies in place. However, many convictions have happened lately because of such information held by the branch and the local elders.

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Why should WE be the bloodguilty ones??

by stuckinarut2 in

it struck me just how odd and weird it is that jws are told that if they do not preach, they are "bloodguilty" for failing to warn people of the upcoming destruction at armageddon.. hang on a minute now, hang on!.

why should a mere human be made to feel "bloodguilty" and "responsible" for "failing to warn someone" of gods wrath??.

these average people are not the ones who are about to unleash a genocidal massacre on 99% of humanity (including babies born to non-witnesses).

Drearyweather

Why should a mere human be made to feel "bloodguilty" and "responsible" for "failing to warn someone" of Gods wrath??

Because, such humans themselves promise to God and the WT during their baptism that they would preach and are ready to be held accountable for not participating in this life saving work.

See Question No 21 on the Part 3 of the Baptism Questions in the OD book.

If you don't want to be held accountable, don't agree to it in the first place!

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Getting your WT files deleted (UK)

by Splash in

the uk are tightening up their data protection laws to make it easier for individuals to get hold of the information organisations hold on them and to get it deleted.. i think paul grundy (jwfacts) went through this with wt once and found it very time consuming and difficult.. will wt now abide by the law and hand over or permanently delete the records it keeps when requested?it would mean every uk exjw could have their report card info, personal file with age, sex, baptism date, judicial information, appointment/deletion/disfellowshipping dates, letters of disassociation, letters of recommendation when you move, phone number and address permanently removed.

anyone acting for the wt (elders) who retain this information, eg your phone number in their phone or the secretary keeping your historical monthly report details, will be in violation.

failure to comply will incur a fine.. expect a letter to all boe's any time soon explaining why this does not apply to them.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40826062.

Drearyweather

They would have to say that the branch informed them

When you move congregations, your new cong gets your personal data from your previous congs' elders, not the branch, through a letter of introduction.

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New Song to be sung for Warwick Dedication on Oct 7

by Drearyweather in

jw
friends

a place that will bring you praise.

https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/latestvideos/pub-jwb_201801_8_video.

Drearyweather

A Place That Will Bring You Praise

https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/LatestVideos/pub-jwb_201801_8_VIDEO

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Question for SBF

by Fisherman in

slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

- this thread is your if you want it..

Drearyweather

to do but unlike FS and meetings no one is watching and no consequences for not donating. It is between him and God.

True. I dont remember reading any testimony or story here where anyone has complained that elders used to hound them for money.

Instead there are many here who themselves have said that they have never put a dime in the contribution box.

Even with the GAA/KHAA, no publisher is forced to give in the per publisher decided amount. It is the secretary who transfers the funds from the contribution box. Even with the perpetual kingdom hall construction donations, each congregation has the freedom to choose how much money they will send, which in many congregations is very less than their usual KH mortgage payments. No one questions it, neither the CO nor the branch.

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How Are Ex Elders Treated In The Congregation?

by minimus in

jw
friends

are they pretty much left alone?

are they respected for their having been elders at one time?

are they treated like crap?.

Drearyweather

Most ex-elders are treated the way they themselves used to treat others while being elders

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Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

by mrmagic in

due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

would hate to lose all those good videos!

Drearyweather

Mike and Kim are, as a whole, expressing their disagreement with WT behavior and teaching. They use WT material to demonstrate their point

Yes. But they need to do this lawfully, i.e. without infringing on any copyright laws.