Posts by redpilltwice

i don't worry about it but it just seems that the human race is going down a road that they can't make a turn off.. they are probing/discovering how the human mind works and produces intelligence down to the individual molecule.

now with the invention of the super quantum computer soon we will be able to build even better artificial intelligence greater than our own, so it will be easily able to out smart us because will we be a bunch of dumb apes first discovering how to make fire in it's eyes.. it will have it's own different agendas than us humans.

redpilltwice

Thank you too WeatherLover, I've read the article.

AlphaGo Zero also discovered new knowledge, developing unconventional strategies and creative new moves that echoed and surpassed the novel techniques it played in the games against Lee Sedol and Ke Jie."

What exactly is this new knowledge other than extremely fast calculation and trial and error of every possible move that could've be done? If the data is build up by playing against itself, it has to know the rules before it can decide what will be a better move and what isn't. By being able to play a zillion games in no time and ongoing trial and error it seems to have reached perfection. That's cool, having the potential to scan and evaluate every move that could've been made by anyone anytime anywhere. Of course, the outcome will surprise us. We are individuals, not knowing what all other players know. Humans also have emotions and sometimes do things by intuition, not knowing where and when the same situation occured in the entire history of this game. This "cold" approach and the relentless way the algorhythm is programmed gives it a unique helicopter view that is unparalleled in exhausting all the meta-data.

Impressive? Yes, very! But I remain sceptical because it still didn't go beyond what is has been programmed for... play against yourself, remember and store the data, improve by trial and error and become better and better and better up to the point of perfection. No human being will be able to have access to so much data at once by using memory, but we can build machines that do it for us because we program them to do that specific task, they have no free will.

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Will Artificial Intellegence Make The Human Race Extinct?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think it is inevitable.

i don't worry about it but it just seems that the human race is going down a road that they can't make a turn off.. they are probing/discovering how the human mind works and produces intelligence down to the individual molecule.

now with the invention of the super quantum computer soon we will be able to build even better artificial intelligence greater than our own, so it will be easily able to out smart us because will we be a bunch of dumb apes first discovering how to make fire in it's eyes.. it will have it's own different agendas than us humans.

redpilltwice

Thanks for your input Island Man. I appreciate different approaches of the matter, that's what makes it intriguing. We are uncertain about the amount of control we can have in the future and we're talking about huge things that certainly will influence our lives. Therefore I also agree with ttdtt because we develop AI to help us and perform certain tasks more efficient, not because scientists want to become digital alchemists and deliberately open pandora's box.

It learns how to do its task by being fed lots and lots of data. It finds patterns in the data and creates and tweaks its own rules for processing data based on those patterns. It is like a child that learns to talk and learns the meanings of words by listening to others talk and the context in which specific words are used. It's learning the way we learn, albeit in a far more rudimentary way - for now.

How did it "learn" to learn in the first place, by itself or by intelligent human input?

How does it "find" without acting within the laws of programming? Does it "want" otherwise? No, it has no will or desire.

I believe that we can only reason and try to predict from experience and so far our experience is that codes do not write themselves, they are written by us. A defect or virus will not improve its working, a program can even be shut down because of it. So why expect such a huge positive "mutation" in non-living matter/digital machinery?

A lot of people get hung up on the issue of consciousness and self awareness. But these aren't needed for AI to be a danger.

True, and that's why I mentioned the millenium bug. There was potential danger (so we were told), and no one will claim it had to do with some AI being self aware.

All that's needed is superintelligence. AI has already proven itself superior to us in basic strategic reasoning used in games

I disagree, it is not superiour to the sum of our collective intelligence in any way. Algorhythms are not capable of learning, they can solve problems because they are programmed to perform certain tasks, such as calculation and data processing and darn, they do it superfast! But let's take chess. It has no freedom to create new rules, it can only search all options, no matter how many. It can even detect patterns of the human player because it can have access to all past and current data that has been stored during its gameplay history. None of those options is unknown to our collective knowledge of chess. It is not intelligent in the sense that it can create something "new" in the world of chess.

I know that people like Stephen Hawking fear a 'rise of the robots' in the future, but so far every smart machinery that has been invented by humans has been improved or replaced because it became outdated. So why would a machine or computer suddenly be "miraculously blessed" with the will and intention to jump ahead its own purpose, become smarter and do its own thing?

Furthermore, wouldn't any attempt to create, test and develop AI only take place under strict and controlled circumstances/protocol? How could any certain artificial attempt to think for itself go unnoticed by the scientists involved? Wouldn't they rigorously study everything that is happening in detail before going any further?

Like was said in the OP, I also don't worry too much but for my own reasons. I do NOT fear a human extinction because of AI.

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Will Artificial Intellegence Make The Human Race Extinct?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think it is inevitable.

i don't worry about it but it just seems that the human race is going down a road that they can't make a turn off.. they are probing/discovering how the human mind works and produces intelligence down to the individual molecule.

now with the invention of the super quantum computer soon we will be able to build even better artificial intelligence greater than our own, so it will be easily able to out smart us because will we be a bunch of dumb apes first discovering how to make fire in it's eyes.. it will have it's own different agendas than us humans.

redpilltwice

Brokeback, this has always been a very intriguing topic. I haven't watched your video's, but boy, did I enjoy all the Terminators and Matrixes! My stance however has become very sobering through the years.

I believe AI will just do what it is programmed for...by very, very, very intelligent programmers becoming even more intelligent because of research, testing and experience. Yes, their work is very impressive but no matter how much data and capacity we're talking about, isn't the formal goal to do exactly what it is programmed for? When it doesn't, the user will not be pleased with flaws and the risk for damage (remember the fear for a nuclear armageddon because of the switch to the year 2000? That wouln't have been AI). Even a random search or function without any goal would still need to be programmed to NOT look for or do something specific.

In case of some sort of "evil" doom scenario... in order to rise above our OWN human intelligence and what it has been programmed for and deliberately turn against its human creators, AI should need to develop self awareness, creativity, independent thinking, long term strategy, and maybe even feelings, emotions and its own standard of morality.

Aren't those characteristics what we only find and exclusively see in a mind, a thinking brain? (not talking about plants, trees or animal instinct here).

In fact, I believe the future is bright... medical, space programs, otherwise... let them robots come!

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1914 This Generation

by BiggerRed in

need some help explaining the falsehood of 1914 and this generation.

i am needing articles fod reference.

redpilltwice

ad1914.com

Hasn't been mentioned yet, but please give it a try. VERY useful!

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Welcome me

by natasha in

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friends

hello brothers and sisters am new here , what is the website all about ?.

redpilltwice

Hello sista

This forum is all about truth, facts, opinion and conversation. Here you can enjoy freedom of speech.

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Apostate Monthly: We totally have to do this. Created by Darkspilver

by Diogenesister in

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redpilltwice

"Just call me kevin" 18 fun phrases for your first tattoo

DIY ELECTRICAL REPAIRS because when the light flickers, it's probably not demons

Etc.

I know you all can read too but isn't it beautiful to see how well thought reckognizability and satire have been brought together in "our" first glossy.

I'm moved by so much talent at this forum...

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The Elephant in the room: ExJw disunity

by Diogenesister in

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friends

fantastic new video by the lovely susan gaskin and friend andrea discusses the huge variety of exjw opinions and why our supposed disunity is in reality our strength.

the witnesses will claim we cannot agree and there are nothing but fights and a lack of harmony within our community whereas they are the most unified religion who believe the same things where ever you go.

however andrea points out that this is just an illusion, there is no unity amoung jws.

redpilltwice

Thanks for sharing, what a good video, fantastic it is!

Long post ahead!

The freedom to disagree with each other is one of the strenghts of science and makes it possible to reconsider and adapt "truths" with new information and insight. A consensus can be dismantled, new ones can be formed. An opinion can be confirmed or weakened by different viewpoints.

The JW obsession with unity, which indeed leans more towards uniformity (thanks stuckinarut2) reminds me of the misquotation in the blue 1985 "Life, how did it get here..." book, where WT gave the false impression that disagreement among evolutionists shows how weak their theory was. They left out the part where that same quote in fact praises such heated debates and rigorous disagreement because it helps to put findings and results under scrutiny in order to come to the best conclusions.

The same thing happens at this forum when someone makes a claim as fact and then is asked to back it up with a source or official letter. When someone is unable to provide such "evidence" he can lower his voice, ask others to confirm his claim, or even apologise for presenting opinion as fact or whatever...

Same with activism, isn't it the same with political parties? We have plenty of them in Holland, probably even too many for such a small country and some are really looked down upon because of their vieuwpoint but hey, at least it's democracy and usually things are getting somewhere without having to do it N.korean (or WT style). If it doens't get somewhere, parties can fall and the process starts over again.

Of course I'm not talking about social and emotional issues here, but even then different viewpoints can help to put things more in perspective or benefit from a different approach. Personally I have almost completely overcome my cognitive dissonance because this forum has "forced" me to consider all the different info and experiences coming from a spectrum as wide as full-in JW to hardcore atheist. Two years ago when I joined this forum I'd already fully embraced TTATT, but I would never have dared to challenge typical christian (core) teachings such as certain miracles, the resurrection or the ransom in the light of pagan similar stories that might have influenced bible writers. It "felt" wrong because the distance with JW was simply too far. Now, as an agnostic, I dare to doubt these deeply embedded religious/cultural "truths" because there's simply not enough empirical proof. I got rid of religious fear and wow, it feels sooo different now compared to a few years ago!

So I want to thank all the members for bringing me to the point where I can better understand people that believe or do not believe or that don't know what to believe, who don't want to leave, that are unable to leave, that have left through fade like me or chose to be df or da themselves. Same goes for activists that either choose the mild way or the more direct/confrontational approach.

No matter how often WT denies it, every way had the potential to work that way, whether we agree with that way or not.

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Merry Christmas

by jhine in

as non of you scrooges seem to want to wish anyone else merry christmas , l thought that l would drop in and wish you all .

merry christmas , happy holidays , feliz navidad , joyeux noel , and throw another shrimp on the barbie sheila .

why did the turkey want to join the band , because he had the drumsticks , boom boom .

redpilltwice

Lost in the fog, that's funny. At least some little pure innocent minds in that KingKongHall reckognised bullshit when they heard it.