they were allways off limits when jw's.. but now, analysing everything, there are more questions.. like what about healers, and alternative therapies etc.. .
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And, "double blind trials" studying the human brain prove "proper methods of prayer" are therapeutic, causing longer life span (corrected).
cofty, I was thinking of you when I read it.
the wt says yes.
i looked it up a few weeks ago and they said "we can be sure he used his fathers name".
for me the argument is more just interesting from a biblical and academic stand point.
@tenyearsafter
If we were to use HIS name, wouldn't he have said, "Jehovah
Great point.
Our name conveys two things about us, identity and location of our reputation. Reputation is the most important. The NT is about Jesus making God's REPUTATION name pristine clean . He will fix all that's broken since the beginning "foundation of the world" of Adam.
Huge!
the wt says yes.
i looked it up a few weeks ago and they said "we can be sure he used his fathers name".
for me the argument is more just interesting from a biblical and academic stand point.
Father is a title Yahweh prefers. It underscores access to him is granted freely, the same degree of freedom typical of father-child relationships on earth.
This translation uses caps appropriately, it conveys the correct understanding:
ISV Mt 23:9 ‘Don't call anyone on earth 'Father,' because you have only one Father, the one in heaven.'
the wt says yes.
i looked it up a few weeks ago and they said "we can be sure he used his fathers name".
for me the argument is more just interesting from a biblical and academic stand point.
according to the new faithful and discreet slave, christs warning about the evil slave was referring to a hypothetical situation that could never happen.
the word if proves it.
mathew 24:48-51 - but if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, my master is delaying, and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites.
@Iron
FDS: “ But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards , the master of that slave... will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. " Mathew 24:48-51
and Israel: “But if you should turn back... and you do form marriage alliances... until you have perished."
Yip, I agree with you, a first.
There is one religious group that matches precisely the specifics of this parabolic prophesy Mt 24:48-51 :
1) i.e. "my master is delaying", obsessed with dates for Jesus' arrival
2) i.e. "beat his fellow slaves", publicly abusing those questioning their authority
3) i.e. " drink with the confirmed drunkards ", like original 4 th century spiritual inebriated hypocritical clerics attaching pagan false doctrines (post 103) to the Father and his Son, JW leadership practices similar spiritual debasement:
Blaspheming God's name by wearing it illegally, usurping its authority
As well, obscuring the importance of Jesus role in bringing Adam's descendants to salvation
Note Mathew 24:45-51 predicts two scenarios to look for :
45, 47 a " faithful and wise slave... the master will put him in charge of all his possessions."
48, 51 an "evil slave... cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites... there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. "
We see the "evil slave." The "faithful slave" will follow. It will be from among these folks, Dan. 12:4, 10, 11 . IMO, individuals coordinated from "Jerusalem above." Not a proxy earthly organizational structure.
i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.
however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?
surely there'd have been many billions by then?.
The whole idea about hybrids is they are evidence of natural procreative limits between species which stops hybrids from propagating. Chomosome mismatch produces a sterile male. Examples of procreative limits are: 1) the liger (tiger-lion mix) hybrid sterile male; 2) the mule (horse-donkey mix) hybrids sterile male; and 3) in the Canidae (dog-like) mammal family several combinations create sterility: 78 chromosomes Domestic Dog (Canis lupus familiaris) Wolf (Canis lupus)
Coyote (Canis latrans)
Golden Jackal (Canis aureus) 76 chromosomes Maned Wolf (Chrysocyon brachyurus)
74 chromosomes Black Backed Jackal (Canis mesomelas)
72 chromosomes Bat Eared Fox (Otocyon megalotis)
66 chromosomes Gray Fox (Urocyon cinereoargenteus)
66 chromosomes Racoon Dog (Nyctereutes procyonoides)
64 chromosomes Fennec Fox (Vulpes zerda)
60 chromosomes Bengal Fox (Vulpes bengalensis)
50 chromosomes Kit Fox (Vulpes macrotis)
34 chromosomes Red Fox (Vulpes vulpes)
Any chromosome mismatch breeding among these groups produces a dead end propagation stop. This hurdle snag mechanism (design) is problematic underscoring the ineptness of Evolution theory.
These genetic breeding limits (sterile males), along with the feeble population growth (less than 1 billion in 500,000 years) are devastating argument magnifying the implausible aspects of evolution theory.
Additional evidence showing evo-devo ineptness is being assembled.
i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.
however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?
surely there'd have been many billions by then?.
Tornapart,
I'm with you on this.
Folks heavily invested in a bad ideas, when they hit a speed bump (awkward inquiry clearly exposing their difficulty) they get defensive and wobbly.
It's the JW syndrome all over again: challenge our turf and we will find ways to silence you.
Galileo had the identical experience.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Fascinating!
@Seraphim23
evolutionary point of view… It’s a like an arms race.
Genetics is not like an arms race.
me whom they have pierced .
blood flowed from our saviors' side when he was pierced:.
"but one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out...for these things were done that the scripture should be fulfilled...and again another scripture says, 'they shall look on him whom they pierced.
@Eden (post 290)
Thanks for your "Pierced him" vs "Pierced me" clarification. That's in agreement with post 103 here.
4 th century Christianity is the impure Christianity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhz4mb9gky.
@thinking still
Thanks for reminding me that, in a forum setting it's best to make your point clear beyond doubt. Otherwise you open yourself to non sequitur arguments such as yours.
My point is: Our universe has an elegant, intelligible, and discoverable underlying mathematical structure in quantum mechanics, general relativity and DNA biochemistry, which proves INTENT (it’s thoughtful, it’s measured). Intent in this context means one thing, nothing in the universe science happens by chance.
Mathematics is used in universe science to describe the Laws of Nature. And, universally physicist of all languages understands this math. That degree of universal uniformity can’t be said for languages.
It’s a mistake to conflate various international languages (and their dissimilar grammar and idioms) with the universal math used for universe science (quantum mechanics, general relativity and DNA biochemistry, etc.).
the european space agency has produced a fascinating map of the universe using the super dooper plank satelite.. by stripping out dust emissions and radio frequencies from the milky way galaxy and more distant objects to leave just the afterglow of the big bang, an image of the microwave radiation (measured over a 15 month period) has been obtained that gives an extremely precise picture of the universe just 380,000 years after the big bang.. what we have learned from this data is the universe is some 80 million years older than we thought, the universe is made up of slightly more ordinary matter than was previously thought - 4.9% of all matter, up from 4.5% - and that there is less dark energy (which cosmologists don't understand) than previously thought and also it has an axis of evil (it appears the early universe was assymetrical) and a cold spot!!.
so we need to go back to the drawing board with regard to inflation theory to account for the asymmetry and cold spot.. this is why i love science, the more we learn, the more we have to learn.
btw, god sisn't show herself!.
@cant
@EP: "Show me where scientists have said they do know what came before the Big Bang."
OP# 11361, “we do know there was a BEGINNING , a situation before when nothing material exists, including time.”
Note OP# 11361 makes no mention of the expression Big Bang nor does it say, " scientists have said they do know what came before the Big Bang."
Mathematics goes back only as far as the Big Bang, no further. Make sure your guys understand that.
Hope this clears things up. My apology if some wording led to this confusion.
If some still remain intractable, off course we can always agree to disagree.
There's a watershed of new information challenging your position coming. Suppose to be game changing.
You have a great thread. I'll check in from time to time.
