I don''t recall 'born again' being referred to in previous Memorial talks, but I could be wrong. Watchtower usually avoids using the term. I remember never being able to understand the explanation of it given in the old Reasoning book. Some people use being 'Born Again" in reference to repentance over past sins, and beginning a new way of life. JW teaching seems to refer to it as Jehovah granting a person a "spiritual" nature so as to be able to enter heaven as the scripture says "flesh and blood cannot inherit it" (1st Corinthians 15:50). They say Jesus was 'born again' at his baptism, in that he was born on earth fully human, but his spiritual 'nature' was restored when holy spirit came down upon him. (or so I understand...!)
HereIam60
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Will They Change the Memorial Talk This Year?
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/o5almnehew4?si=kdgrjgbiutjkvcxe.
i’m hoping the memorial talk will be different.
change the talk!
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Will They Change the Memorial Talk This Year?
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/o5almnehew4?si=kdgrjgbiutjkvcxe.
i’m hoping the memorial talk will be different.
change the talk!
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HereIam60
https://www.jw-stream.org/w/siHGcpzHKF7xfqkJ7DskFT This seems to be a recorded version of the talk for this year.
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Did Watchtower Really Teach That Armageddon Was Coming in 1954?
by Jerome56 inin the march 2025 jw broadcast david splane in his morning worship talk mentioned that "some thought" that armageddon would come 40 years after 1914. such statements are usually meant to shift the blame of their own false predictions on to their members for speculating.
however, i was unable to find anything in print showing that such a thing was indeed taught by the society.
was this really a thing?.
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HereIam60
Thank you 'Listener' for the additional research and quotes. I think D. Splane is nuts. He seems to be the current go-to man for prophetic comment but he's made so many absurd statements. I was surprised that more wasn't made of the talk he gave where he questioned the intelligence of jury members and said something along the lines of 'In a court trial probably neither side wants the whole truth to come out". When the 'generation overlap' theory was presented in The Watchtower I thought I understood it but when Splanes video lecture on it with chart and pointer was played at the meeting it all fell apart, and now that whole teaching seems to have "evaporated" Reading the scriptures I always get the sense that Jesus' use of the word Generation just referred to whichever group of people he was talking to in his day. When it was the Pharisees and other opposers they were 'a wicked and faithless generation'. When it was faithful listeners they were a generation that would not pass away until they saw all his words fufillled. I don' t get the sense that he was designating any specific length of time. Also on another point. I know the "Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained" book of the 1950s presented the view that the present day Was the Great Tribulation, as "the great crowd" comes 'out of' the GT and they were being gathered for survival. This view cannot have been held for very long. When I came across it in the 1980s and asked elders about it, they were unaware of it.
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Did Watchtower Really Teach That Armageddon Was Coming in 1954?
by Jerome56 inin the march 2025 jw broadcast david splane in his morning worship talk mentioned that "some thought" that armageddon would come 40 years after 1914. such statements are usually meant to shift the blame of their own false predictions on to their members for speculating.
however, i was unable to find anything in print showing that such a thing was indeed taught by the society.
was this really a thing?.
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HereIam60
Possiblty the "some" he was referring to were not the Witnesses themselves. No specific group was mentioned but a 4/1/1956 Watch Tower article 'Modern History of Jehovah's Witnesses Part 31. - Ending the Fourth, Beginning the Fifth Decade of Kingdom Operations' contained these statements:..."Jehovah's Witnesses knowing well the times and seasons of God's purposes approached and entered the Kingdom's fortieth year without joining in the dire predictions that some religionists were making about 1954 on the basis of their ideas of parallel time periods in historical events..." Also: "The exploding of two new models of hydrogen bombs in the Pacific Ocean by America in 1954 did not fill Jehovah's Witnesses with dread forebodings of the future. Undisturbed they went on to give a still greater witness to God's established kingdom by putting more preaching ministers in the field..." I did see Splane's talk but have already forgotten exactly what he said. Looking around I see that in 1954 a Chicago area housewife Dorothy Martin claimed to recieve messages from 'The Planet Clarion ' that the world would end that year which got some newspaper coverage , stirred up some commotion and was the subject of a 1956 book called 'When Prophecy Fails"
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Will They Change the Memorial Talk This Year?
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/o5almnehew4?si=kdgrjgbiutjkvcxe.
i’m hoping the memorial talk will be different.
change the talk!
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HereIam60
I hope it doesn't begin again with that horrid "The Sons of God Will Be Revealed" song, in praise of 'the annointed".. On the basis of the recent Watchtower study in preparation for the Memorial I don't expect any changes...but we'll see...!
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A stupid, pointless story of "humility" on JWTalk
by ukpimo inhttps://jwtalk.net/topic/60143-sighjust-another-lesson-in-humility-for-tim.
if you can stomach reading this brother's experience via this link, please let me know your views.
for one thing, i'm absolutely dumbfounded that this website jwtalk even exists considering all the warnings the governing body have given the org on not creating their own websites.
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HereIam60
Just insane. He's asked a question, responds in all sincerity, an elder talks to him about toads and beetles and he's filled with shame?...Interesting quote..."...it's very impotant that you understand how inserting yourself into a situation can make you responsible for what that situatiion becomes".....Elders should think of that..!
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Telling People You Used To Be A JW
by JW_Rogue insince i faded i've told a few people at work about having been raised in this organization but i found that most people don't really get what it is like at all.
they just focus on not celebrating holidays as if that is the worst thing about growing up jw.
i didn't explain much because it's too much for most people to handle.
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HereIam60
Pehaps once in a very great while you will meet someone who is really interested, curious, or a religious person who is "anti"-witness without really knowing anything about it, but most people, if they ask about it at all are just being polite to make coversation.
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Examples of Watchtower flawed interpretation of Bible passages?
by Vanderhoven7 inasking jehovah’s witnesses to interpret specific passages is a great way to demonstrate their interpretive abuse.
got any clear examples?.
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HereIam60
Re Biahi's comment: When I was first studying with Witnesses I often compared the NWT with The Living Bible and I do remember that footnote, which now suddrenly calls this question to my mind, If the dead were concious, when resurrections took place, where was the person 'called back' from? I think except for 2 instances the person had just died. Lazurus had been dead several days. Watchtower reasoning is, when he was alive again he did not mention being in another realm, but the Bible doesn't record Anything Lazurus said. Re: one of Vanderhoven7's comments, they of course use whichever interperetation suits the immediate purpose, at times the Spirit is God's (impersonal ) Active Force, but Witnesses often do speak of grieving the Holy Spirit by their wrong conduct but in this case it is made personal "Jehovah's Spirit" , so as to be offending God himself. I think this is often used as a point of counsel by elders. A couple we know had difficulty adjusting to marriage for a time, not communicating, sitting apart at meetings. Happily they later reconciled and the sister confided to us after talking with the elders that she "hadn't realized she was grieving Jehovah's Spirit"..
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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?
by liam inmay 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.
what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.
now the wt is saying that's not enough.
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HereIam60
In past decades wasn’t WT teaching that the “modern fulfillment” of this fleeing to the mountains was Fleeing ,to, taking refuge in God’s Kingdom - the Mountain of Jehovah (Micah 4 :1,2)..?
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Don't you just love LITERATURE truths?
by BoogerMan inas jw's we swallowed such concoctions for years - without a single scripture provided as proof!.
w71 12/15 p. 759 - "apparently, the apostle peter was the chairman of the governing body on the festival day of pentecost of 33 c.e., and the disciple james, the half brother of jesus christ, was the chairman at a later date, according to the account in acts of apostles.
from this, and from what historical evidence there is available, the chairmanship of the governing body rotated.".
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HereIam60
I never read that particular WatchTower quote before… but my immediate reaction… I thought the Christian Congregation did not ‘officially’ come into being until Holy Spirit was poured out on Christ’s disciples at Pentecost 33 CE….How could it even have had an existing functioning Governing Body?