Posts by Mikejw

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2025 Convention. How to deal with PIMOs in the Congregation. Copy Jesus in the way he dealt with Satan on the MT.

by liam in

the video on apostates in the congregation and how to deal with them at the 18 minute mark.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1kssfr9/2025_convention_apostate_video/.

so by now, a lot of us have seen a clip from the "apostate" video from the 2025 convention.

Mikejw

But the “apostate’s” reasoning was surprisingly grounded. He said things like “I’m keeping an open mind and finding answers to my questions,” and “How do you know it’s garbage if you haven’t even read it?”

And here’s what’s wild: the PIMI character had no actual arguments. He just shut the conversation down and threatened to report the guy.

I think this will backfire. All parents will be wondering if their children should be thinking about things or just not asking questions?

It’s obvious children should be asking questions. And now parents are told to just shut them down trust the fat old men in upstate NY don’t question them at all.

I thought JWs were all about study and if there is something you don’t understand then study so you do understand it.

but now it seems to be if there is something that you don’t understand say 607 1914 for example don’t whatever you do go and do research don’t Google it do not do research do not study just trust the fat old man in upstate New York whatever you do don’t question 607 and 1914

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The Governing Body is Restructuring the Org.and encouranging young ones to REACH OUT!

by liam in

the governing body just doesn't let up on encouraging the young children to reach out to do free labor for the organization.

so another generation of young people with ruined lives.

another generation of young people that will get old and wake up in their 50s to realize they were in a religious doomsday cult.. and they are getting rid of some old workers that ran the branches of the organization, and giving them different assignments or maybe they are just sending them home, who knows.

Mikejw

Yes, I certainly did know that people who are ‘cast aside’ (a polite term for being kicked out of bethel) 🤣 were told to ‘expect’ help from Witness relatives and friends in their ‘old’ congregation.

The problem is those people may not agree with this.. It’s one thing to get someone a bag of groceries until they get back on their feet. But let’s be honest here. These people who are in advanced age - are not getting ‘back on their feet’. They are expecting to be supported pure and simple. Hope everybody realizes this.

What makes matters worse is that some are made special pioneers which means they get rent paid no matter how much it goes up.

special pioneers nowadays only have to do 70 hours a month and they get paid a wage for that I remember having to do 90 and have a part-time job on top of that

The special pioneers get all the rent paid matter how much the rent goes up with inflation they get their allowance which is often on top of the state pension so they’re much better often than state pensioners and they can still go to Bethel for the free dentist Optition doctors even have volunteered Sister is coming to give massages and reflexology things like that

Is now a wide gap between the special pioneers and those who are kicked out of Bethel for old age who are not special pioneers

Everyone hates it when the special pioneers answer up about how well looked after their yes of course you are good for you

I think the old Brother from the 60s and 70s never thought this through

They never thought we’d get to 2025 and all the young Bethel lights and thought the end was right around the corner and now having to get up three or four times a night to take a pee

what if the end doesn’t come another 10 years 2035? There’s gonna be so many old Bethel lights there will be a burden on the congregations. This is why they’re trying to kick out as many older ones now before they get to be a burden on the branch office.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Mikejw

His two daughters are a long way from being adults yet. So I don’t know why he says they don’t need their father around anymore, what they need is a good father. But he obviously realises that they are soon going to be the age where they find out all the truth about Lloyd and his activities with prostitution.

This would absolutely disgust a daughter who finds this out about their biological father. Any woman will feel shame and hatred for her father when they find out.

I wonder if he will try saying that is what I used to be like but I have cleaned up my life now?

Ad they have a new step father they will obviously compare

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PIMA is best so it’s not a shock to the system if the tower collapsed

by JohnR1975 in

i know most people here are totally out and that’s fine.. many these days are staying physically in for the social life and that is also fine.. i feel being fully mentally in is dangerous as it could be such a shock mentally if or should i say when the tower collapsed.. im sitting in the fence like so many others here.

mentally agnostic if god exists or not and if the bible is his word.. when i talk to people who are physically and mentally still in i can tell that they so need it to be true.

i’m worried for them when they wake up to the fact that they have been lied to 1914 wasn’t true 1975 wasn’t true 1999 wasn’t true and now here we are 2025 it’s all not true.

Mikejw

So now it seems they are backtracking on the judgement locust message will they remove all those videos of that poor old Sister saying to the two elder brothers if I’m scared to go to the Ministry now then What will it be like when we have the judgement message where we tell people it’s too late you’re going to die there’s nothing you can do.

They’re gonna have to backtrack on all this maybe remove those videos

I’m finding this whole thing, fascinating watching the tower slowly fall

Physically in and mentally agnostic PIMA is the best way to be with all the changes now you can be open about being agnostic

if you said you don’t believe the governing body are who they claim to be then this could be considered apostate if on the other hand you instead openly say I have doubts if the governing body are who they claim to be but I don’t know for sure then you get love bombed you get invited out more you get treated so well

its advantageous now to express doubts and to tell the elders you used to have strong faith but now it is waning. You can have lots of attention and invites out if you want to.

Im not sure how long you could milk this though because soon I can see it becoming the norm rather than the exception.

this years regional convention will be interesting. There’s a whole load about being physically and mentally out but will they make videos about those who are physically and mentally agnostic

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The Preachilng finally stops..............As soon as Armageddon Starts.

by liam in

watchtower august 2025: new teaching: the hailstone message intensifies during the great tribulation.

preaching continues after babylon the great falls, up to armageddon.

some may still respond.. larchington .

Mikejw

Is there a judgement message or isn’t there?

they want to sit on the fence with this one

Someone's not entirely given up on the idea of the message becoming "hard-hitting", though. Romans 2:4

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Mikejw

Diana has a boyfriend and she is enjoying the sun and sea somewhere in Croatia

That’s old news isn’t it? Is it another new boyfriend or the same one from a while ago?

i remember all the talk about him moving back to the UK because he said in a video some personal stuff going on his life there’s no need for him to stay in Croatia and his girls are grown up now and they don’t need their father around for some personal reasons it’s obvious cause they’ve got a new stepdad

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

Mikejw

My definition of light or heavy when it comes to your beliefs is how sure you are.

anyone who is absolutely sure they are correct in their beliefs about how the universe originated is in the heavy categor.

if you think I lean towards this belief system but are open to the possibility you may not be 100% correct then you are in the light category.

i think most JWs and in fact most people in religions and non religion beliefs systems are in the light category.

even the most ardent atheists have doubts that just maybe there was intelligent design involved somewhere along the line

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

Mikejw

It’s very easy to bash other belief systems. I could bash atheists all day long but then again they could bash those who believe in God.

Those who believe in the trinity get basked by those who think Jesus is Gods son and vice versa.

It’s just as easy to bash JWs as it is every other belief system.

I think k the best way is to decide for yourself if you think the universe had intelligent design or not. If not then be an evolutionist.

if you believe the universe and everything in was designed then you have to decide if that designer had anything to do with the Bible. Then you have to decide if Jesus was just an ordinary man or if he was Gods firstborn son, who he claimed to be.

Then you really have to be honest and say there are so many interpretations of the scriptures we just don’t know. We can do our best to try and guess but it is very presumptuous to say that I have the correct interpretation and others are wrong.

this is the way JW lite seems to be going. I love the sound of the promises in the Bible but let’s be honest nobody really has the entire truth about the scriptures.

Im staying physically in JWs and find it very interesting studying the Bible with the congregation every week. But always think we may not have the correct understanding of these scriptures.

Too many people like Lloyd Evans for example bash other people’s belief systems without saying this is the correct belief system that other people could bash.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

Mikejw

Most religions and even non religious beliefs like evolution have 90%+ members in the lite category.

JWs used to have minority in the lite categories and majority heavily into it.

i suspect that was true with Catholics and every type of Protestant or other belief system in years gone by.

These days even Muslim and every other belief system including atheism most people are in the lite categories of their belief system.

there has been a big change in the JWs since Covid, and since the GB keep saying “we don’t know”

then the GB have stated they are not infallible.

this is basically admitting that what they currently believe may be wrong.

so really all JWs should be JW lite and say to themselves we may be right about this or that but in the other hand we may not have the correct understanding of it.

I myself am in this category. I’m pretty sure the GB are wrong about lots of things but I don’t have the presumption to say I have the correct understanding of it.

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Do JWs see the org falling apart?

by ThomasDam21 in

i have been away from the jw cult for many years.

i don't have any family i talk to that are in it.

so i don't know if the jws as a whole are seeing the cult fall apart or if they or the majority of them are head in the sand la la la the end is neigh.

Mikejw

This weeks mid week meeting was crazy

they played the clip David Splain saying would Jehovah let the GB take the vaccine if it was harmful

then straight after in the book study they talked about circumcising and saying this medical procedure was a matter of choice