Posts by OneFingerSalute

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Change.org petition - JW

by thedepressedsoul in

not sure if anyone saw this but i just came across a change.org petition that already has a good amount of followers.. just thought i'd share!

not sure if anyone else has seen it.

https://www.change.org/p/launch-an-investigation-to-determine-if-jehovah-s-witnesses-have-a-right-to-use-coercion-forms-of-mental-torture-to-force-its-members-not-to-leave.

This made for an interesting read. However the WTB&T$ will never admit to those accusations. The claim is, "We in no way deny anyone the "freedom" of choice. There will be consequences for those choices though."

Never have they denied anyone the choice of leaving. They do not even deny still in family members the choice to associate with ones who leave the church. They also do not deny the "choice" of "good" JDubya's to have nothing to do with someone who has left. That is their get out of jail free card. They will never claim or admit to promotion of shunning. They just strongly encourage the "sheep" to do so, all the while claiming that it is the R&F who make that choice. That absolves them of responsibility for the actions of the amah-arets. Just like it was the R&F who "ran ahead" and assumed that the Big A was coming in 1975.

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What is the reason?

by OneFingerSalute in

what is the reasoning behind having so many hoops to jump through to login?.

most sites require only a user name and password.

so why user name, password, not a robot, capcha code, then finally login?.

OneFingerSalute

What is the reasoning behind having so many hoops to jump through to login?

Most sites require only a user name and password. So why user name, password, not a robot, capcha code, then finally login?

And no, I don't need any smart alec comments such as, "If you don't like it don't post or login!"

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They're GONE

by OneFingerSalute in

so any scuttle-butt on the wherefores and why's of the disappearance of song 139 and the april km from jdubya dot org?.

seems strange even for them to release something and just a few days later nuke it.

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OneFingerSalute

So any scuttle-butt on the wherefores and why's of the disappearance of song 139 and the April KM from JDubya dot org?

Seems strange even for them to release something and just a few days later nuke it.

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we are in the 3rd century of the end being sooo close!

by nowwhat? in

it started in the 1870's then throughout the 20th century.

and now here we are 15 years into the 21st century.

how many generations is that?

OneFingerSalute

How many generations is that?!

Just one. . .if you are a good little sheeple JDubya.

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Field Service Reports Count More than Showing Love - Ray Franz CF Book

by flipper in

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friends

i've always suspected this was the wt society's view when i was in the jehovah's witness organization - but never knew the head of the writing committee karl adams had written a letter to nathan knorr ( then wt president ) recommending a change regarding reporting field service time as it wrongly emphasized jw members being seen as mainly being approved due to field service statistics - instead of emphasizing christian qualities of love, kindness, peace, etc.. karl adams had been personally handpicked by nathan knorr to be the head of the writing department.

in 1971 he wrote a letter to knorr which he wanted shared with the entire governing body as well .

i'll share the main parts of that letter.. on pg.

OneFingerSalute

A JW man could actually be an asshole, a jerk- yet if he turned in 20 or more hours a month and pioneered- he'd get appointed an elder.

So VERY true! I know one personally who fooled around on two JDubya wives. Embezzled from his work-place, was a practicing drunk, evaded taxes and was caught three times, was a proven chronic liar, viciously violent, and yet would report thirty or forty hours every month spent driving the back roads miles from town MAYBE talking to a total of four people during the whole month! Now he is an appointed hounder!

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Today's WT Study based on a theme that adds words not found in the original Greek.

by leaving_quietly in

today's wt study, from the december 15, 2014, is based on mark 7:14, which says:.

so calling the crowd to him again, he said to them: listen to me, all of you, and understand the meaning.

the two words at the end, "the meaning", are not found in the greek.

OneFingerSalute

And of course the last song just had to be 120

Listen, OBEY, and be Blessed!

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Today's WT Study based on a theme that adds words not found in the original Greek.

by leaving_quietly in

today's wt study, from the december 15, 2014, is based on mark 7:14, which says:.

so calling the crowd to him again, he said to them: listen to me, all of you, and understand the meaning.

the two words at the end, "the meaning", are not found in the greek.

OneFingerSalute

I pulled a few damning statements from the JDubya cd.

A WT contributor in April 1881 named J.H. Paton wrote that the leaven illustrated the glorious success of the work. In WT's of 1900, 1910 and finally in 1975 his assertion was roundly condemned in strong words, concluding, ". . .the argument used by J.H. Paton in April 1881 does not hold good. . .the parable is not an illustration on the positive side."

As commented above by earlier members today's "lesson" was a complete reversal of what was taught as "truth" by WT for the last hundred years or so.

I wonder how fast the current governing body would be booted out as apostate if the old regime were still around?

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Hello

by Garrett in

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friends

hello forum,.

i'm new here and not sure where to post.

so, i'm 21 years old and currently a baptized witness, however, i'm slowly making my mind up to leave and here's why.. first, there are certain things that make no sense to me in the organization.

OneFingerSalute

As others have said DO NOT put anything in writing.

The written word can stand forever against a person, however the spoken word can be explained, denied or ignored. Much safer that way. Whenever I get questioned I just give them a baseball bat look and walk away.

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New Kindumb Halls in a neighborhood near you

by suavojr in

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friends

new kindumb halls in a neighborhood near you.

notes and highlights from todays meeting.

opening statement about this meeting being a historic event, over 100k elders under the us branch together live from nyc..

OneFingerSalute

We cannot be like the Israelites that complained about leaving Egypt, WE MUST ACCEPT THE CHANGES.

Interesting statement. So now what the JDubya's were in the past is likened to Egypt? I thought Egypt was a nation opposing JeeHOvaaahhhh. So by the speakers own word the implication is that JDubya's did not have the truth then. It would follow that they couldn't have it now. The blind leading the blind y'know.

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Giving comments at meetings that cause cognitive dissonance while keeping yourself below elder radar for apostasy

by Brokeback Watchtower in

well i'm sure we can come up with clever comments that make people feel uncomfortable by serving to decompartmentalize things that have been compartmentalized in the thinking of the average jw.

or comments that make the cognitive dissonance stand out plainly, these have to be said in innocent manner and with an apparent obliviousness to the contradiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/compartmentalization_%28psychology%29.

OneFingerSalute

Not sure if the comment I made last Tuesday would fit, but referring to Gideon's asking for two assurances of God's favor with the test of the fleece on the threshing floor I commented that the WT had in the past stated that was not an indication of Gideon's doubt, but rather simply wanting total assurance of God's direction. That WT continued to state that we today could benefit by making sure of all things. One of the most important ways would to be asking ourselves if what we are being told is directly provable from the Bible, and does it glorify God rather than the person saying it? Even Paul said that if he or an angel from heaven said something not in line with God's words they would be accursed, and so too today. If someone, even one of the anointed said something not directly from the Bible or bringing attention to themselves we should not listen to them as they would be accursed, in Paul's words.

I saw many heads bobbing in agreement evidently not realizing exactly what I had just said.