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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  NotFormer

  What is inexcusable is to know that and be making promises that you'll bring it about, if people donate money to you.

  Isn't that somewhat what the WT does?
  
  
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  Overlapping Generation

  by pandorasbox1914 in

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  the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

  his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

  no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

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  NotFormer

  My Generation by The Who:

  People try to put us d-down (talkin' 'bout my generation)

  Just because we get around (talkin' 'bout my generation)

  Things they do look awful c-c-cold (talkin' 'bout my generation)

  I hope I die before I get old* (talkin' 'bout my generation)

  *Apparently a hope within some JW circles 😳 Mentioned in this thread: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6028430898888704/jw-murders-wife-mother-law
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  More JW Criminals Caught....

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  https://youtu.be/pirwhbyd4uy?si=x3awvyv4midux8es.

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  NotFormer

  Interestingly, I discovered this bloke just this week . I couldn't directly search for Donald Burney and YORWW directly through this site's search function; it always spat out an error message. (I wonder if that's deliberate, to stop Burney disciples being able to find threads about him and spam them.*) Searching the internet, I found that one exJW despises Burney so much that he wont use his real surname, but "Brumley" instead. I tried using that surname, and Lo and behold: I discovered page after page about the wonderful** Philip Brumley.

  What a piece of work! Good to see that his tireless efforts to muddy the waters of CSA cases involving the WT are finally being recognised and rewarded by the secular state! 😸👍👌

  * Hopefully I'm not breaking any rules of this discussion board by mentioning this 🤞🙏 Please remove this post if it is.

  ** This is strictly sarcasm. The only wonderful, or more correctly, wondrous about him is his longevity.
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  Watchtower Campus

  by Gorb in

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  information about the new watchtower campus, ready in 2027.. https://www.brplusa.com/projects/watchtower-bible-tract-society-new-headquarters-campus-development.

  g..

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  NotFormer

  "Information about the new Watchtower Campus, ready in 2027"

  2027: the end isn't imminent? At least, not for another three years. 🙄
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  Kingdom Hall Insurance

  by NotFormer in

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  2. scandals

  that the wt "self insures" kingdom halls has come up in occasional conversations on here.

  how exactly does that work?

  do they* actually set aside a portion of the monthly remittance from each kingdom hall and save into a pool to cover damage etc.

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  NotFormer

  That the WT "self insures" Kingdom Halls has come up in occasional conversations on here. How exactly does that work? Do they* actually set aside a portion of the monthly remittance from each Kingdom Hall and save into a pool to cover damage etc. issues that arise? If a Kingdom Hall burns down, does that pool get tapped, or is the congregation expected to raise their own funds to rebuild?

  On public liability, I can't imagine a JW suing "the brothers", so I imagine any of those situations are gotten away with Scot free**.

  It all looks a bit iffy to me, hence why I'm posting this in scandals and cover-ups.

  * Presumably some department within Bethel.

  ** But what if an outsider, say a memorial attendee or bible study, decades to sue over an injury obtained on Kingdom Hall premises?
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  John 1:1 in Coptic Translation

  by slimboyfat in

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  apparently there has been quite a stir in jw apologetic circles recently about the translation of john 1:1 in the early sahidic version of john.

  i don't know if this has been discussed here before - if someone could give a link to a previous thread they know about on the subject that would be great.

  here is what i gather: .

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  NotFormer

  "...Coptic Christians were never Arians, unlike, for example, the Visigoths or the Vandals."

  It used to amuse me that the JWs chose to identify themselves with groups remembered for their violent and warlike tendencies. Perhaps I've grown up a little? 🤔 Heck, no! It still amuses me! 😸
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  The org. Came out with a Christmas song!!!!

  by nowwhat? in

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  holy nativity batman!

  on jw broadcasting.

  final song for this year's convention.

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  NotFormer

  BTW, I'm not calling it a Christmas Song, but a Christmas Carol. It's just more fun that way.
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  Do JWs Get Excited About WT Publications Any More?

  by NotFormer in

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  memory from long ago: my old mate from high school lived next door to a jw and was often "treated" to the latest jw literature.

  when the "you can live forever in paradise on earth"* book came out, this neighbour waxed lyrical about how good this book was and how powerful the message was.

  he acted really keen about it, like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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  NotFormer

  Diogenesister, you're right about mainstream churches at least being more noticeable in the community. In the town where I live there are a bunch of old churches with pipe organs. Last year they organised an "organ crawl", an afternoon where each church would be open at a certain time and an organist or two would play a piece or two on the organ before moving on to the next church, the audience moving on with them. I was too crook (sick) that year to attend, unfortunately.

  Recently one of the churches allowed the organist to play a piece she had been learning, Bach's Passacaglia, at the end of the service. It was very moving. 😢

  I can't see the WT opening up to outsiders in similar ways. "Brother Jones Solos the Latest WT Christmas Carol*" probably doesn't have much pulling power, and besides, the WT probably doesn't have the insurance to cover such events.

  * https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4864613443698688/org-came-out-christmas-song
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  Overlapping Generation

  by pandorasbox1914 in

  1. watchtower
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  the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

  his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

  no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

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  NotFormer

  Like all things related to the WT doctrines regarding the 144,000, "the annointed" and the FDS, I'm confused about this "overlapping generation" thing. How does it work? Does it mean that someone who worked in close proximity with someone at Bethel who had been baptised before 1935 could have the annointing passed on to them? If the annointing can skip forward once and the new annointee is genuinely annointed, what's to stop it skipping forward in every subsequent generation?

  I suppose it's shorthand for the GB saying that every GB member is annointed because we say so. Diogenesister alludes to something like that above. As she said, eventually only the GB will be the 144,000, the FDS and "the annointed". Will they stop people being allowed to partake at the memorial, eventually? Will the memorial become an annual event wherein the JW congregations of the world get to watch a livestream of the GB partaking?
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  What is is your favorite REDICULOUS JW falsehood? :)

  by Balaamsass2 in

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  i get a few good laughs from the ex-jw facebook site: " ex jw humor will set you free".. i was laughing over dinner with 3rd gen over this post tonight: "question for the audience: i was driving around today and it hit me...there are big falsehoods (armageddon etc.

  ) that we were told, but also ridiculous falsehoods.

  what is your favorite ridiculous falsehoods?

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  NotFormer

  Diogenesister, you reminded me of a conversation at the door many years ago. The JW talking about the Pair-a-dice Erf quoted Isaiah 65:20 "For anyone who dies at a hundred will be considered a mere boy".

  Me: People will still die in the future paradise?

  JW: Oh, yes!

  Me: What??