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  The August 2024 Watchtower controversy and potential further changes

  by ukpimo in

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  2. bible

  as an educated guess, the august 2024 watchtower may be delayed because 2 complicated subjects need to be discussed in this issue which haven't yet been approved to be included in the revised shepherding textbook.

  perhaps the revised shepherding textbook must be finalised before this watchtower is released publicly.. the 2 subjects may be as follows:.

  how to shepherd and appoint brothers based on the removal of the hour requirements, getting to know the brothers instead (does this mean prioritising appointing men who have auxiliary pioneered during the co visit and campaigns or men who are regular pioneers?).

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  NotFormer

  Just had a brief skim through the article about being doers of the word. James gives examples of what that means, like clothing the naked and feeding the hungry. I knew as soon as I saw the title that the official WT stance on what being a doer of the word would be different from my intuitive interpretation. And I was right. They tell you to take time out from attending to family needs and looking after sick relatives, to instead focus on the preaching work. IOW, they see saying "Be filled, be clothed" without helping the person materially in those matters, as being a doer of the word. They have come away with the exact opposite interpretation of what being a doer of the word means. 🙄
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  WT CONVENTION RELEASE LIFE OF JESUS

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  https://wawa-news.com/index.php/2024/06/14/episode-1-of-jesus-christ-series-set-for-release-at-gfl-memorial-gardens-june-14-16th/ .

  episode 1 of jesus christ series set for release at gfl memorial gardens june 14 – 16th.

  in new south wales, australia, there exist replicas of regions once visited by the most notable prophet who ever lived.

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  NotFormer

  "It's not conversational, but is very stilted."

  That seems to be par for the course with most attempts to translate bible events on to the big (and small) screen(s). Even the big bible epics from back in the day seem stilted and lacking in conversationality*".

  * Pardon my word coinage! 🥴
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  Stupid dumb ass changes yet blood and 1914 no change???wtfge???

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  yeah wow women can finally wear pants and men beards...but 1914 is still a date not accepted since charles russell times and blood fractions are evil!!.

  are they crazy!!!

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  NotFormer

  I've been looking up the Russell stuff in light of the "something happened in 1914, so Russell was right" assertion. Quotes are from this article:

  https://www.thearda.com/us-religion/history/timelines/entry?etype=5&eid=120

  "In 1870, he heard an Adventist preacher named Jonas Wendell, who impressed the young Russell with his application of logical thinking to the Bible. Wendell, a former follower of millenarian preacher William Miller, predicted the bodily return of Christ in 1873 or 1874. Inspired, Russell started a Bible study in Pittsburgh and eagerly awaited the second coming. Rather than being disheartened by Christ's failure physically to return by 1874, Russell believed that Christ had indeed spiritually manifested himself in the hearts of those waiting for him that year, inspiring Russell to write his first book, The Object and Manner of the Lord's Return."

  So Russell did the "invisible return" move to explain away 1874.

  "Barbour and Russell believed that Christ's invisible return in 1874 would be followed by 40 years of evangelism and then, in 1914, the Age of Gentiles would end and God's Kingdom on earth would begin."

  1914 becomes the new "THE" date.

  "When 1914 arrived, and with it World War I, some Russellites began to question Russell's chronology. Mass, industrial warfare did not strike them as the proper fulfillment of the millennial kingdom."

  Even Russell's followers at the time weren't convinced that WWI amounted to anything in the prophetic scheme of things!

  As we know, 1914 later became the new "invisible return" and, presumably*, the start date for the generation that would not pass away. Good luck finding anyone still alive who could have read Russell's predictions about 1914 before 1914. 🙄

  * To any apologists who might argue that I've got this date, or that term, or the other assumption wrong: I don't care. That stuff changes all the time, as it did back then. If I've got something wrong, I'm probably in good company with many people who have tried to get a bead on JW end times doctrine. It's very hard to precisely hit a target that is forever moving and changing.
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  Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..

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  NotFormer

  To the tune of Surfin' Bird:

  Well, everybody's heard about the Herd

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  Don't you know about the beard?

  Everybody knows that the beard is the weird!

  When the Herd, Herd, Herd is the word.
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  Stupid dumb ass changes yet blood and 1914 no change???wtfge???

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  yeah wow women can finally wear pants and men beards...but 1914 is still a date not accepted since charles russell times and blood fractions are evil!!.

  are they crazy!!!

  !.

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  NotFormer

  Russell's first prediction was for 1874, IIRC (correct me with the proper year if memory is faulty). Nothing happened then. Eventually that date was replaced by 1914. And nothing happened then*, either. A world war where most of the world's population survived isn't the destruction of the world's nations in Armageddon, succeeded by God's eternal kingdom on Earth. That was what Russell predicted for 1874; it was what he predicted for 1914. It didn't happen either time.

  * Not what he was predicting, anyway.
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  WT CONVENTION RELEASE LIFE OF JESUS

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://wawa-news.com/index.php/2024/06/14/episode-1-of-jesus-christ-series-set-for-release-at-gfl-memorial-gardens-june-14-16th/ .

  episode 1 of jesus christ series set for release at gfl memorial gardens june 14 – 16th.

  in new south wales, australia, there exist replicas of regions once visited by the most notable prophet who ever lived.

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  NotFormer

  Carla, I get the feeling that they loathe Jesus in the same way that they loathe children. Both inevitably have to be acknowledged as an uncomfortable reality but both get in the way of the money-making worldwide work.
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  JWs Tortured in Russia

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  https://www.upi.com/top_news/world-news/2024/06/16/russia-tortures-jehovahs-witness/3971718239875/ .

  russia is amping up to severe torture for jws.

  i don't think this is appropriate behaviour for anyone..

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  NotFormer

  It's sad to see the R&F suffering for their personal faithfulness to a doctrine and actions they are forced to adhere to, when the leaders who demand this level of faithfulness would sing like a canary if they were subjected to the same treatment. Remember Erich Frost handing over the names of his fellow JWs to the Gestapo, even without being tortured? Then, in the 50s, he gets to share the convention stage with Knorr.

  Imagine your favourite GB member being subjected to what the current Russian JWs are going through. Do you think that they might fold like a seven high poker hand*?

  *I'm not saying most of us wouldn't. Just that the GB have a bunker to hide in, currently protected from persecution by the freedoms afforded them by a government they despise. It must be comforting to know that you are safe from the consequences of rules you impose on others.
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  Rutherford himself as Jesus on the Jordan?

  by Sektenkult in

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  NotFormer

  Is the book an actual German edition? If so, how the heck did they get it into Germany (1942, remember?). Or is it an English language edition that happens to be owned by someone who posted about it in German?

  ETA: And why stroke his ego in that way in the same year that he was on his deathbed?
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  JWN staying at the top of Google Search

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i noticed awhile ago jw.org was first; now jwn is back being first.

  what determines that?.

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  NotFormer

  It's still number 3 on my tablet's google search. JW.ORGy is still number one.

  I just realised as I was writing this, that my saved search is "Jehovah's Witnesses online"*, so that may have something to do with it. I tried that on Bing on my PC and got page after page of official WT pages. I had to use "Jehovah's Witnesses discussion". At least this is number one when searching that way.

  * Why keep doing it this way? I guess I got used to it 🥴
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  Rutherford himself as Jesus on the Jordan?

  by Sektenkult in

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  NotFormer

  Actually no-zombie, your scan showed up a bit better than the first one. It really does look somewhat like Rutherford.

  I wonder if he posed for that image? 😸