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  Setting the record straight. CSA report in New Zealand

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  ok i just want to officially set the record straight about the report of csa in new zealand.

  i have a pimo relative who lives in nz.

  as far as public awareness, with regard to the jws, it was basically a big nothing burger.

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  I'm hoping that the WT gets angry at all these exposés by "Satan's world" and start writing to the R&F about how unjust it all is. I'm reminded of Cuba, a decade or so ago when estimates of Castro's personal wealth were being published in various media*. The Cuban government, instead of ignoring those articles, got all butthurt and published rebuttals in their local media. I imagine that many Cubans were, for the first time, exposed to the idea that "Castro is a billionaire", ironically by their own Castro apologists.

  I'm hoping that the WT will rail similarly against the world's governments. Of course they might not be as honest(!) as the Cuban government were about what the issue is. We saw that with the Norwegian issue. Norway didn't like the disfellowshipping and shunning of minors, but the WT made it into "a threat against religious freedom". And Tony Morris said they'd never change the rules on disfellowshipping. And then they changed the rules on disfellowshipping, and nobody has seen hide nor hair of Tony for ages.

  Please, WT, get angry and start denouncing the world's governments for their "attacks" on you before your own followers. Looking forward to it! 🤞🙏

  * About a billion $US
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  Disfellowshipping and Excutions

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  *w60 2/1 80 - 17 there may be rare instances where a child is so hardened in its stubbornness that even the rod of correction cannot drive it out.

  in the days of israel parents were instructed by jehovah to take such a rebel to the city fathers and they, in turn, took the incorrigible one out and stoned him to death.

  there were no juvenile delinquents under such a system.

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  Kicking kids out of home after disfellowshipment was the old way of doing things. With some of the rule changes, how is that sort of situation handled now?

  Balaamsass2, what is the state of that family all these years later?
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  Have you seen a UFO/UAP?

  by BoogerMan in

  1. social
  2. current

  the acronym uap once stood for "unidentified aerial phenomena," until december 2022. .

  then the pentagon updated its terminology to encompass "submerged and trans-medium objects.".

  https://www.defense.gov/news/transcripts/transcript/article/3249303/usdis-ronald-moultrie-and-dr-sean-kirkpatrick-media-roundtable-on-the-all-domai/.

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  Is UFO another one of those acronym thingies, like PIMO, etc? Unidentified Furtive/Fuming Objectors?
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  Will Governing Body follow through with New Zealand Royal Commission's recommendation to publicly apologize?

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'following on from an apology from the prime minister, the commission recommends all faith-based leaders offer a public apology, including the pope, the archbishop of canterbury, the president elect of the methodist church, the moderator of the presbyterian church in new zealand and the head of each individual presbyterian support organisation, the general of the salvation army, the overseeing shepherd of gloriavale, and the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses.'.

  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/govt-takes-blame-will-apologise-to-children-abused-and-tortured-in-state-care/ar-bb1qwoyt?ocid=bingnewsverp.

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  3rdgen: "WTC is never going to help victims collect $$$ no matter how egregious their agent's conduct"

  The conduct of those agents has seemingly had their tacit/implied/inferred approval anyway. Jaracz made it so.
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  Will Governing Body follow through with New Zealand Royal Commission's recommendation to publicly apologize?

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'following on from an apology from the prime minister, the commission recommends all faith-based leaders offer a public apology, including the pope, the archbishop of canterbury, the president elect of the methodist church, the moderator of the presbyterian church in new zealand and the head of each individual presbyterian support organisation, the general of the salvation army, the overseeing shepherd of gloriavale, and the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses.'.

  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/govt-takes-blame-will-apologise-to-children-abused-and-tortured-in-state-care/ar-bb1qwoyt?ocid=bingnewsverp.

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  NotFormer

  The NZ government will insist that the GB apologise. The American GB refuses to apologize. Stalemate.

  But seriously, slimboyfat is right with: "It looks like a case of: we claim all the authority, but accept none of the responsibility". They'll never relinquish their self-perceived moral authority, and an apology would do just that.

  Threatening their status as a religion and also their charitable status might work, but, their pride is too great. NZ is a small outlier of their empire. They might just take the L and let go of the small number of assets they still have there. They've moved that operation to Sydney*, anyway.

  *Denham Court, actually, according to the company registration data on the ASIC database.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses "Declare the Good News" around the World this week. JW Child abuse PAGE ONE on Google news!

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  7/28/2024 sunday, despite dozens of watchtower official press releases attempting to swamp google seo, new zealand child abuse outrages climb to page one for "jehovah" news results.. ".

  former jehovah's witnesses welcome inquiry's findings of 'credible evidence' of abuse.

  8:07 am on 27 july 2024".

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  I thought https://www.scoop.co.nz/ might have more on the subject, but they only show a couple of the recent articles from the mainstream news that have already been linked to on this site.
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  GB making their exit before the GT??

  by stephenlettclownface in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did i misinterpret something or read something wrong?.

  did the gb say recently that they are to be dead or pulled out of earthly existence before the great tribulation?.

  if so, can someone point me to jw literature or a thread on this topic?.

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  "We always talked about the bus all the GB were on to visit the farm and getting hit by a train then "poof" into the pearly gates and here we go GT!"

  I imagine that it is policy to never have all the GB be together and particularly not to travel together, like the semi-mythical Coca-Cola executives who know the secret recipe.

  Do the GB even meet physically any more? The most recent photo of them seated around a boardroom table is years old and seems to be Photoshopped on occasion to add/remove members*.

  * This photo and its variants have popped up from time to time since I've been on here. Don't ask me to find the link; I just remember it being discussed, probably in threads featuring Tony Morris.
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  "A Jehovah's Witness"

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a very certain distinctive of jws is how they refer to themselves.

  "one of jehovah's witnesses".

  it's one of those coded jargon thingies.

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  I used J-dubs at one stage. But people didn't always get what I was talking about. They thought I was saying something like V-dub (a nickname for Volkswagens) 🙄
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  Jehovah's Witnesses "Declare the Good News" around the World this week. JW Child abuse PAGE ONE on Google news!

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  7/28/2024 sunday, despite dozens of watchtower official press releases attempting to swamp google seo, new zealand child abuse outrages climb to page one for "jehovah" news results.. ".

  former jehovah's witnesses welcome inquiry's findings of 'credible evidence' of abuse.

  8:07 am on 27 july 2024".

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  "Regarding two witness rule - what about saying Jehovah and Jesus were my witnesses?"

  I've wondered why they can't use something like that. That the "spirit directed" elders, or one of them, could be the second witness by proxy. Of course, it's loaded with downsides, but what isn't in that self-contradictory organisation? 🙄
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  Jehovah's Witnesses "Declare the Good News" around the World this week. JW Child abuse PAGE ONE on Google news!

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  7/28/2024 sunday, despite dozens of watchtower official press releases attempting to swamp google seo, new zealand child abuse outrages climb to page one for "jehovah" news results.. ".

  former jehovah's witnesses welcome inquiry's findings of 'credible evidence' of abuse.

  8:07 am on 27 july 2024".

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  "I don't think they'll give an apology unless they're forced to by some government mandate that will take away their charity status or something."

  It's the only reason they ever change anything.