I truly believe Joel is one of the kindest most sympathetic people I have met on the boards, and even though I'm not as regular of a poster as many of you are, Joel was merely stating what I and many other people here have observed, that there has been a lot of hatred, maybe too much for some people who have had to leave an organization that indirectly taught hatred for certain groups of people. Of all the people here at JW.com, Joel has been the most supportive of my "coming out" process and as a self-identified queer, innactive JW. This is suppose to be a haven for people to discuss what it's like to be a JW, ex-JW, or what have you. Likewise, I think our discussions should be based on an unbiased look at what is addressed, something that is of much concern to people like myself and Joel. This is what Joel has done, and I think elevating disagrements, no matter how valid, to that of a huge challenge like this IMHO isn't evryone's cup of tea.