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  Spitting it out!

  by BritBoy in

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  i doubt i shall be hearing from my sister in a while.

  she is a jw and has known i am gay and all about the smoking etc etc.

  she said it did not bother her and that i am still her brother!

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  Preston

  Britboy, give me the names and addresses of the MS and the elder, I want to make the first Gay JW Porn movie EVER!!!! [wink]
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  Whats the dumbest thing you were counselled for?

  by Beck_Melbourne in

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  i was once counselled by the elders for watching 'knots landing'....it became widely known in the congregation that me and a few other sisters would rush home from field service to watch our favourite soapie.

  if we missed it, we would ring each other up for an update...or...if we weren't near a tv we would ask someone to put the phone handset on the top of their tv so we could hear it...pathetic huh...but that was all the excitement we could scrounge up in our otherwise dull and uneventful lives.

  one of the elder's wive's conscience got the better of her...and she confessed to her husband..lol.

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  Preston

  Britboy's comments:

  5) Being told by the elders I was wrong to expose myself to demons by seeing the Tom Hanks movie "Big" as it involved magic!

  You should have told them, "I didn't see the movie BIG, I actually saw the movie BIG SWEATY SAILORS AND THEIR SEXY SLAVE-BOYS!" That would have been better!"

  4) Owning a Barbara Streisand record (I'm gay for god's sake! it's a MUST own cd to maintain your membership card to the club!)

  Hell yeah! I'm lucky, I bought all my Madonna, Tori, and Ani albums without their knowing about it! Nevertheless I had a passion for Diana Ross that escaped the elders....

  3) Wearing a *shock horror* floral tie to a bookstudy!

  Your comments from #4 about the membership card would be useful here...

  2) Being fourteen and going to see an Ice Show that happened to feature a Michael Jackson song. I was told I should have walked out at that point!!

  ...OMG, just thank your lucky stars they weren't playing YMCA by The Village People!!!"

  1) Being counselled while at Bethel for befriending some married couples as it was obvious where it would lead... to me having sex with the sisters... what I wanted to point out to them was these sisters were in fact (unbeknown to them at the time) Fag Hags! Divine justice was the married Bethel Elder who counselled me for this was asked to leave Bethel 2 weeks later after being caught snogging (french kissing) and groping another married sister on his window making team!! Well done Greg, I salute you for your lack of hipocrasy!

  YES, YES, YES!!!! Many of out beautiful sisters were unbeknownst to them, a fag's object of hero worship. As for the super cute MS I had a HUUUGGGEE crush on in my congregation...if he only knew . What a hottie!!! It's just a shame that JW's have huge hang ups about sex. They think the only danger comes from boys and girls being alone together, because (as we all know) there are no gay JW's. Right?..RIGHT?!?...Yeah right...

  .... um I have loads of these types of stories... should I start outing them? I have a list of MS's and Elders who did naughty things to me and with me... wanna know who they are and what they did???!!!
  Perhaps I should just email Bethel with the list and see what happens!!

  OMG, you better tell us....DETAILS!
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  Field Service Can Kill you

  by target in

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  from the milwaukee, wisconsin newspaper:.

  crash victim was on religious outing.

  richfield boy was planning jehovah's witnesses visits.

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  Preston

  I wholeheartedly agree with Henry that such an event should not be used to make fun of JW's, nevertheless, I don't think JBean's and ashitaka's comments were meant to make fun of the organization, it's a somber reality that "time and unforseen circumstance" is used to demonize pleasure, work, etc.... I think leaving the organization has only made me appreciate life more, and I honestly hope Christopher's life is remembered by his friends, family, and congregation. It sounded like he was a good kid, and I hope his family gets through this terrible part of their life. The most the elders can do is provide an honorable celebation of his life at the memorial rather than using it as another in a long series of informercials promoting the resurrection, soemthing that they'd probably get at the Watchtower study anyway.... it makes every JW's life sound so artificial, sad...
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  Self Esteem

  by larc in

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  self esteem.

  now i have seen people write about the fact that they have low self esteem, as an xjw.

  now, this not unique.

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  Preston

  I think larc's statements are part of the rugged individualism that so many of us strive for as we try to adjust our lives from leaving high school, some kind of rotten family environment, the congregation, etc.... We should all want to get to a point where we can look at the past, recognize the hurt that it caused us, and move on with our lives.

  Replying to a post like this is difficult becuase I can only think back at how I was treated in school, and how hard it was to nurture self-esteem. To put it bluntly, I hated myself and i wanted to die. In a period of life where you need friends the most, I was beat up by girls, looked down on by teachers, and failed to apply myself in anything I did. Forgive me for saying this but I just wanted to take a gun and blow all of my enemies away. Interestingly, during this time I had a newfound fascination with the Bible, depressing romance novels, and the films of Ingmar Bergman because I could totally relate to the mercenary aspect of what I dealt with in those years. I felt I became a better person, albeit a more miserable one, and such an attitude really suited mer to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses (the elders loooved me). nevertheless, Being a JW is like junior high but long-term, there's bullies, injustice, fist-fights, self-hatred....but unfortunately, it's long term. In such an environment, it's hard to like yourself. Don't get me wrong, we were told to like ourselves but to give so little praise to all the hard work we did (such an attitude I think motivates us to look at the value of what we did there). Personally, I didn't think anything I did there was of any worth, and now that I'm gone I feel a helluva lot better my self. I'm also became cognizant of what my real importance was in the congregation after I left now that the only person who calls me up is the presiding overseer, just to ask me if I ever had sex (you're only given attention if there's the potential that you've committed some grave error).

  So, in response to larc's post, I think he gives such comments in support that we all be cognizant of the past, move on with our lives, and remember that the experience was only temporary...

  Cheers!
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  Whats the dumbest thing you were counselled for?

  by Beck_Melbourne in

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  i was once counselled by the elders for watching 'knots landing'....it became widely known in the congregation that me and a few other sisters would rush home from field service to watch our favourite soapie.

  if we missed it, we would ring each other up for an update...or...if we weren't near a tv we would ask someone to put the phone handset on the top of their tv so we could hear it...pathetic huh...but that was all the excitement we could scrounge up in our otherwise dull and uneventful lives.

  one of the elder's wive's conscience got the better of her...and she confessed to her husband..lol.

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  Preston

  I was counseled for giving an illustration in a talk that was too complex (which it wasn't), even though it fit the material, thus rendering the talk too interesting. Basically he wanted a simpler illustration ("okay brother, I'll make the talk more boring next time."). My younger brother was there and even he thought the council was a bit naff.
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  Do JW's Actually Believe This Stuff?!?

  by Mister Biggs in

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  this was just forwarded to me.. (we need more comets to help take all of the stupid people away from among us!).

  this comes from the branch in canada....... in england one of our blind brothers had a seeing-eye dog that would.

  faithfully guide and take him to the meetings each week.

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  Preston

  These are Jehovah's Witnesses we're talking about. They'll believe just about anything except that their organization is false.

  OH, THE IRONY!
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  JW lives mirrored in music, albums, movies, etc

  by Preston in

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  i'd love to help you but everybody's telling me you look like me .

  yeah come on, try me tonight.

  now i only wish that i could show you - wish i could show a little soul.

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  Preston

  Have you ever listened to an album, read a book, or saw a movie, and wondered aloud,” How could they have known?” This thread isn’t meant to promote some kind of narcissistic notion that a particular artist had you in mind in his creation. However, there isn’t a single person here who hasn’t tried to seek out some kind of reinforcement or acknowledgement of their life as a JW from someone or something else.

  I would like everyone here to tell me what (limited to the arts) they have used in order to confirm their life as a JW. Personally, I have found my life, as well as the lives of many of you here, mirrored in PULP’s amazing album “This Is Hardcore.” Here is a sampling of some lyrics….

  Track 1: The Fear

  This is our "Music from A Bachelors Den"
  the sound of loneliness turned up to ten.
  A horror soundtrack from a stagnant water-bed
  and it sounds just like this.

  This is the sound of someone losing the plot –
  making out that they're okay when they're not.
  You're gonna like it, but not a lot & the chorus goes like this:
  Oh Baby, here comes the fear again. The end is near again.
  A monkey's built a house on your back.
  You can't get anyone to come in the sack
  and here comes another panic attack. Oh here we go again.

  So now you know the words to our song,
  pretty soon you'll all be singing along.
  When you're sad, when you're lonely & it all turns out wrong.
  When you've got the fear.

  When you're no longer searching for beauty or love –
  just some kind of life with the edges taken off.
  When you can't even define what it is that you are frightened of this song will be here.
  Oh Baby, here comes the fear again. The end is near again.
  If you ever get that chimp off your back.
  If you ever find the thing that you lack
  but you know you're only having a laugh
  and here we go again. Until the end.

  Track 2: Dishes

  I am not Jesus though I have the same initials –
  I am the man who stays home and does the dishes.
  & how was your day?
  Is that woman still trying to do your head in?

  A man told me to beware of 33.
  He said, "It was not an easy time for me"
  but I'll get through
  even though I've got no miracles to show you.

  Track 3: Party Hard

  I used to try very hard to make friends with everyone on the planet.
  I've seen you havin' it, havin' it yeah but now you've just had it.

  Entertainment can sometimes be hard
  when the thing that you love is the same thing that's holding you down.

  I was having a whale of a time until your uncle Psychosis arrived.
  Why do we have to half kill ourselves just to prove we're alive?

  I'm here whenever you need me
  & whenever you need me I won't be here.

  
  Track 5: T V Movie

  Without you my life has become a hangover without end.
  A movie made for TV: bad dialogue, bad acting, no interest.
  Too long with no story & no sex.

  
  Track 6: A Little Soul

  You see your mother and me we never got along that way you see.
  I'd love to help you but everybody's telling me you look like me
  but please don't turn out like me. You look like me but you're not like me I know.

  I had one, two, three, four shots of happiness. I look like a big man but I've only got a little soul. I only got a little soul. Yeah, I wish I could be an example. Wish I could say I stood up for you and fought for what was right. But I never did.

  I just wore my trench coat and stayed out every single night. You think I'm joking? Well, try me. Yeah, try me. Yeah come on, try me tonight. I did what was wrong though I knew what was right. I've got no wisdom that I want to pass on. Just don't hang 'round here, no,

  I'm telling you son. You don't wanna know me. Oh, that's just what everybody's telling me. & everybody's telling me you look like me but please don't turn into me. You look like me but you're not like me I hope. I have run away from the one thing that I ever made. Now I only wish that I could show you - wish I could show a little soul. Wish I could show a little soul.

  
  Track 11: Glory Days

  Come & play the tunes of glory –raise your voice in celebration
  of the days that we have wasted in the cafe in the station.

  & learn the meaning of existence in fortnightly installments.
  Come share this golden age with me in my single room apartment

  & if it all amounts to nothing –
  it doesn't matter, these are still our glory days.

  Oh my face is unappealing and my thoughts are unoriginal.
  I did experiments with substances but all it did was make me ill

  & I used to do the I Ching but then I had to feed the meter.
  Now I can't see into the future but at least I can use the heater.

  Oh it doesn't get much better than this
  'cos this is how we live our glory days.

  Oh & I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it
  & I, I could do anything if only I could get 'round to it.

  Oh we were brought up on the Space-Race,now they expect you to clean toilets.
  When you have seen how big the world is how can you make do with this?

  If you want me I'll be sleeping in –
  sleeping in throughout these glory days.

  These glory days can take their toll, so catch me now before I turn to gold.
  Yeah we'd love to hear your story just as long as it tells us where we are –
  that where we are is where we're meant to be.
  Oh come on make it up yourself - you don't need anybody else.
  & I promise I won't sell these days to anybody else in the world but you. No-one but you.

  
  Track 12: After The Revolution

  The dust has settled, replaced the bulbs in all the lights.
  I guess I'll get no sleep tonight. A revolution happened. Oh, sorry you haven't heard?
  We are the children of the new world. If you're quiet you can watch if you like.
  They say the future's beginning tonight. Whole empires will crumble.
  Civilisations will fall. Lie on the bed, hear the sound of it all.
  No anger, no guilt & no sorrow: it sounds unlikely,
  I know, but tomorrow you will wake up to find that your whole life has changed. Although nothing looks different a revolution took place.
  I love the way you do it, I love the way you put them on.
  You know the answers but you get it wrong. (Just to confuse things).
  Why did it seem so difficult to realise a simple truth?
  The revolution begins & ends with you.
  Now all the breakdowns & nightmares look small.
  Now we decided not to die after all.
  Because the meek shall inherit absolutely nothing at all.
  If you stopped being so feeble you could have so much more.
  The answer was here all the time, you see. Just how I missed it is a mystery to me.
  I have waited & waited for this day to arrive.
  The revolution was televised. Now it's over, bye bye. It's over, bye bye.

  
  So there, I'm sure your life was mirrored in some way by the smooth stylings of Pulp's lyrics, as well as Jarvis Cocker's voice. IF not, tell me where it has...
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  Why be satistfied with second best?

  by queenofsheba in

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  jw's belive that one day that they'll live in paradise, which is fine.. but how can the belive that they are saved?

  the fact is they don't.

  i concider being saved as a wonderful gift from god, that one day i'll see him and spend eternity with him, and 'with him' i would concider to be in 'heaven' with him.. the gospel is, that god loves you, jesus died for you so he could forgive your sins and that all man is equal in his eyes, and jw's stand firmly on that belief.and then they believe that at the end, 144 thousand shall go to heaven (which i think is the highest place, where god has his throne, and where he rules from, basically the best) and that the other belivers will stay on earth in paradise.. don't you think that,that's awful, how could all those belivers be satistfied with that?

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  Preston

  So the only people who get the red sports cars are the ones who get to heaven? For a God-fearing Christian, like yourself, I can truly respect your desire to reach this ultimate prize of yours. As for a sincere Christian like myself, the idea of spending an eternity in Heaven doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather spend my lifetime right here. The whole thing reminds me of a movie I saw called Wings of Desire (later remade into City of Angels) where two angels descend upon Berlin to discuss what it was like to view several thousand years of human history, and one of them doens't want the gift of living eternally in heaven. Rather, he wants to experience the pleasures of being a human on earth, even if the time spent here is short. Since it wasn't God's original intent for us to live in heaven with him, I see how such a prospect does not appeal to me.

  In the film Andrei Rublev (I know I'm talking a lot about cinema here) the lead character, a painter of icons, meets his protege' Theophenes the Greek, several years after Theophenes' death. "What is heaven like?," says Rublev. "I can assure you," says Theophenes, "it's not the way that everyone thinks of it." I really don't think of heaven as the place that eveyone thinks of either. You basically have been removed from your physical self: you eyes, ears, legs, stomach, etc... So, in essence, everything that you are is gone... Your work in heaven (I guess, to bring glory to the father in heaven) becomes your chief objective for all an eternity. Truly, what else is there to do... It's almost like your God's plaything. Being that your physical self is removed, can you truly have any memories of what it was like to live on earth. I doubt it.

  The crown fo glory seems less appealing that light. Does my salvation have to be reserved only for heaven? If such si the case, that being second best is okay with me...
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  Your favorite pic from the Kingdom pubs.

  by LDH in

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  this one is for jt, who is interested in body modification (lol).

  i will be the first to admit a rabid fascination with a certain picture....... back when i was about 7, i stumbled across the most fascinating picture in all of dubdom....... are you holding your breath?!?!?.

  it was in the evolution or creation book....the picture of the black, african tribal woman with that huge freakin plate in her lip!.

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  Preston

  Everybody knows this one. You know, the one on page 131 of the Live Forever book of the two shirtless guys wearing scarves, one's holding a cowboy hat, and one's kissing the other. I doubt anyone in the organization would paint such a picture of homosexuality (one that doies not accurately depict the norm) without having some firsthand experience. As a kid struggling with my own sexuality I was amazed that the society would paint such a lurid picture of what two guys do when they're attracted to each other, along with a picture of some guy smoking opium.
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  WTS is going down: Illusion or Reality?

  by Martini in

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  hi folks,.

  it appears that the tides are turning upon the wts.

  judging by recent child abuse cases, un scandal and blood doctrine change that the wts is being exposed and that the rest of the world is taking note.

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  Preston

  Judging by recent child abuse cases, UN scandal and Blood doctrine change that the WTS is being exposed and that the rest of the world is taking note.

  Well, you metnioned three things that were given considerable discussion here at JW.com

  First of all, the child abuse cases. I've never really thought of child abuse cases as severely hurting the membership of any religion. Catholicism and Mormonism are churches that have lost millions of dollars in child molestation cases, and they continue to grow, expand, and use their PR effectively to highlight their good deeds.

  Now, The UN scandal. Cmon, almost nobody outside this web site and the upper schelons of UN and WBTS has even a cursory knowledge of the involvement with the UN, and, to tell you the truth, I don't think most people care. I don't even care (I know I'm the minority here on this one) and this is why: JW's don't really have a high-profile reputation as UN protestors, they're those people who annoy the heck out of their neighbors on weekends by trying to teach their interpretation of the Bible. I doubt even many JW's believe the UN has any reference to the Bible anyway. The story hasn't even made it to my newspaper. Besides it's such a kooky doctrine anyway...

  Now, a revoke on disallowing blood transfusions is something that I feel could lead to considerable attention although I don't forsee the WBTS as making a firm stand on the Blood Transfusion issue. Doing so would seriously hurt their image, and everyone here and their neighbor down the street knows it (assuming that the neighbor knows anything about Dub-dom). I think it's more reasonable to expect this issue to be relegated to the same extent as voting (something that's looked down upon but would be classified as a serious sin). Both stances (the blood one and the voting one) have led to many people dying, and yet, how many people left the org when new light came out about voting? As Kurt Vonnegut writes in Breakfast of Champions, "Doodley Squat!"

  Sorry if I come across as rude, please forgive me if I come across as such, but many people have had successful careers launching high demand organizations with members that are coerced to believe whatever the hell they want them to (again, look at Mormonism and Catholicism) and I don't forsee their organizations going down the toilet. The governing body is a group of extremely intelligent men, similar to a political body or a law firm, who have many people behind them, and are willing to support them out of fear. No matter what kind of humilty they excude they represent the truth of Henry Kissinger's words: power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

  So, to make a long story short, don't hold your breath, at least, until they allow JW's to