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princecharmant
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The US has "targeted three such NGOs"
by biblexaminer infrom todays's newspaper we read.... bush's order targets bin laden's al-qaeda network and includes a list of 27 organizations and individuals identified as front groups that raise money to support his international terrorist network.
he conceded most of those on the list, including known terrorists and non-profit organizations, operate outside the u.s. .
"they often times use nice-sounding, non-governmental organizations as fronts for their activities.
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Need help locating WT destroying U.S.Buildings
by Tallyman ini am in need of references to watchtower publications that contain images.
of united states government buildings, especially the white house-.
depicted as being violently destroyed by the watchtower society.. i have much of the wt literature pre-1992, and a bit of the post-1992 stuff,.
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princecharmant
Tallyman,
The so-called facts you summon in your defense could be used by any one else, including the terrorists who struck those blows.
You fire too cheap a shot by pointing accusing fingers at the WTBTS; what in those images makes you so uncomfortable?
They are nothing more than artistic impressions of what you may read from your own Bible:
When Lot moved out of Sodom with the urging of the angels and, from the “mountainous regions”, saw the smoke rising out of the doomed city, what do you imagine he felt?
When the Isrealites saw the armies of Pharoah go down in the Red Sea with their chariots and officers, did they just sit down and weep? No, they sang praises to their God for drowning Pharoah and his horsemen.
When Jeremiah talks about those that Jehovah will kill as littering the earth from one end to the other, do you see a picture of serenity and not of carnage?
When Jesus spoke of the great tribulation, did he use words like "never occurred since the founding of the world and will never occur again?" Do you figure the proportions?
Those artistic representations are a reflection of what could happen if Armageddon happened in our time (or would you rather they depicted horsemen and chariots?. Armageddon may never come in our lifetime, but if it were to come, those are the images of total destruction you and I and everyone else will witness. What is so difficult for you to make out?
You are so consumed by your own blind hatred that you have to condemn more than SIX MILLION people announcing a message that is not theirs but (as they believe) God’s. You once announced the same message and would very likely not have gone they way you did had you continued to announce that message (someone commented that the WTC/Pentagon/Pennsylvania disaster would never have happened if everyone were a Witness). Where, in any of those pictures you so love to scan (and you’ve scanned and posted them everywhere, even on the old H2O) was there ever a suggestion, the faintest of them, for JWs to go ahead and attack established structures to bring about a fulfillment of God’s wrath? You are busy unfairly and most unethically condemning people who for no reason merit such vitriol.
You are quick to abuse others for telling you to your face who you are - an uncouth fellow, who would stop at nothing, not even the most horrendous tragedy, to pour venom on those you once called your “brothers”. Yet even now you proclaim your great love for humanity for making available tonnes of bytes to expose the WT. What joke!!!!!!!!
You know the epithets I could heap on you - but since you so well know who you are, I will not.
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Tallyman hates Witnesses, period. He's shown it more than once that he wants them all dead. Do you justify that?
I don't owe this walking ball of hatred any apology. He owes more than six million human beings and the whole of humanity apology for consistently expounding hatred.
People like Tallyman give ex-Witnesses too bad a name. I have seen him on H2O and I have seen him on this board. His message is despicable and indefensible.
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Need help locating WT destroying U.S.Buildings
by Tallyman ini am in need of references to watchtower publications that contain images.
of united states government buildings, especially the white house-.
depicted as being violently destroyed by the watchtower society.. i have much of the wt literature pre-1992, and a bit of the post-1992 stuff,.
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princecharmant
How did you feel when you shot your brother, flesh of your flesh and blood of your blood?
How did it feel when you pulled a gun at another human being, the one you shared the same womb with?
How did his blood look like when it flowed?
Tallyman, you're cut from the same material as those who caused this disaster.
Your post shows just how demented you've become.
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What I heard the JW's say in light of this tragedy
by Bridgette inokay, i know (or want to believe) that not all jehovah's witnesses are this calloused.
at least i hope not.
there are some good, caring people, but here are some stark contrasts i've observed today that remind me of how glad i am that i'm not part of such an overall unloving group of people.
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princecharmant
Tina,
I would indeed. It might fetch me the axe, but if I were in a position to donate blood for this cause, I would without hesitation.
But I am 10 000 miles away from there.
No Tina, there is no such thing as the JW mindset as expressed on WOL; the WOL mindset is a fringe mindset in my opinion. Gloating over a disaster of yesterday's proportion simply isn't what I grew up to know as a Witness.
Regards,
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What I heard the JW's say in light of this tragedy
by Bridgette inokay, i know (or want to believe) that not all jehovah's witnesses are this calloused.
at least i hope not.
there are some good, caring people, but here are some stark contrasts i've observed today that remind me of how glad i am that i'm not part of such an overall unloving group of people.
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princecharmant
Sorry folks, but posters on WOL are definitely NOT representative of JW feelings. I am sick and tired of some of you poaching nonsense from that board and using it to categorize millions of Jehovah's Witnesses. My first and only reaction to this disaster is grief. Grief for the thousands who have perished, grief for their families, grief for the nation, grief for humanity. And I am still a Jehovah's Witness. It shouldn't take too hard an effort to understand that on boards such as these, those who post express their opinion and feelings. I don't read WOL - I find no interest in discussing favourite pizzas and artists, etc.; and I don't see how any opinions expressed in that board should be construed to represent mine or that of any of more than six million witnesses.
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It must be Armageddon...
by r51785 indid anyone else besides my never-been-a-dub wife notice that today's events fullfilled the prophecy made on page 208 of the book "from paradise lost to paradise regained?
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princecharmant
Hmmmm.
I am surprised someone hasn't said the Evil WatchTower did it.
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Possibility vs Probability of JW 'Action'
by VeniceIT inyesterday alanf posted an excellent parody of wt propoganda.
the thread was very interesting and a debate was underway as to whether he was way off base and just saying things out of hatred, or if there is some basis to think it's a possiblity, scary thought.. i have no intention of re-starting or starting a debate at this time (ok who am i and what have i don't to venice, jk hahhaha).
i simply would like to share my insights on the jw attitude toward apostates.. when i was a dedicated jw and had been asked that question by alan, 'would you kill apostates if the wts told you too?
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princecharmant
The WT has never ordered its members or suggested to them that they could go out and settle scores with whoever. The possibility of them doing so is remote indeed. As tragic as some of the stories related here are, the fact is that we all at one time subscribed to the Society's interpretation of Paul's word to not even say a greeting to the one "thrown out". Those were the "rules".
I find the overall tone of this thread too condescending, the characterization and portrayal of Witnesses too blanket.
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Reform....why?
by Deacon inthe organization cannot be reformed from outside; that can only come from individuals who have the guts and will to do so inside, and the determination to get rid of hardline thinking that is so strangling.
my personal desire is to see immediate change regarding the child abuse policy, and that will come.
to see a clear, quick change in the horribly inconsistent blood policy rather than drag it out over years; kids are dying in the process.enforced shunning is also an evil that they will have to deal with eventually; it's ripping them apart.. .
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princecharmant
Reform will come from within and without. Had Bowen not taken a stand on silent lambs and not readied himself to face the consequences of doing so, it would have taken much longer for the Organization to admit to face the facts. Had "apostates" not given Bowen some helping hand in publicizing his efforts, what is a worldwide issue would have been limited to a small locality. It will take all manners of pressure for the WT to change, but change it must. Those who choose to remain witnesses will benefit from a more people-oriented organization than what currently exists.
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Please help me with the forum
by Simon inkeeping a balance in what is allowed and what is not is very difficult and is more difficult if i have to take action against one person when i have let other things go by others.. it would help a lot if we could stop the personal attacks and some of the name calling & insults that are thrown about.
i know personalities do and will clash but please disagree about the subjects being discussed and not get personal!.
if you think someone is deliberately trying to cause arguments please do not respond to them as this is giving in to what they want.
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princecharmant
I am amazed at most who post wanting Friday banned for good. I may be wrong, but one of the things most talked about on this forum is how unloving the act of disfellowshipping is. Yet here we are, in the main advocating the same thing. Certain posters even resort to acrimony to describe just how bad Friday was and why he had to go. That basic Witness reflex/instinct of excommunicating "trouble makers" seems to have left its mark on most on this board.
For reasons of fairness, Friday's account should be reactivated. He may spew vitriol, but he is merely one of so many doing so on this forum. Except the rules (if indeed there are) are applied across the board, they should not be applied at all.
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!ONE MORE ELDER FACING WTS EXECUTION Part II.!
by exodus inafter i came home last night i sat down to have dinner when five minutes later i received a phone call.
i did not picked up the phone.
then it rang again and refuse to answer it so i let the answering machine handle it.
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princecharmant
tx,
I know this to be an ordeal for you and your family. However, having been a PO (if what I have read in certain other posts is right), you at some point did exactly what these elders are doing to you. You set up judicial committees, probably sat on a number of them and may have approved people being disfellowshiped over a range of cases. In your zeal of then, your will was to "protect" the congregation from spiritual harm.
Now that roles have reversed and you are the hunted, you should remember that at some point in the past you used to be the hunter. Even as you come down heavily against these two guys for what they are doing to you and your family, bear in mind that they too are victims of a twisted system. Perhaps they'll see the "light" some day as you may have.
My sympathies go not only to you and yours, but to them as well.
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