It probably has happened, the problem is of course nobody ever publishes it. The pedophile payouts and scandals are an example of how much trouble and denial they will go to hide the truth from members. Ask any member and they wont have a clue about any of these things.
Posts by mP
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10"The Love of Money" & the WTB&TS always asking for more from the R&F.How long before someone is caught with their hands in the till ?
by smiddy inthe society does very ,very, well in selling real estate in prime locations , using voluteer labour and donated materials to build new facilities , yet still solicit donations from brothers and sisters to cover costs for the expansion of the preaching work.
$$$$$ `s coming in.. kingdom halls that the society says needs a facelift , to do so they need to borrow off the society , then payback with interest.
$$$$$$ coming in.
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Lookout western Christianity - here comes the Chinese
by fulltimestudent inthe material i've studied about early christianity leads to the conclusion that what passes for modern christianity is the result of luck.
ideas required support, so who was lucky enough to get the numbers at a conference?
(often dependent on who could get there).
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Fulltime:
Jesus brother already visited China about 150 years ago. He caused a few wars and other strive that killed over twenty million. Given this im surprised anybody has time for xianity in China.
Hong Xiuquan was also xian, he claimed to be jesus brother and was not the legitimate emperor. Sorry but your basic facts are wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan
Hong Xiuquan (1 January 1814 [citation needed] – 1 June 1864), born Hong Renkun , style name Huoxiu (??), was a Hakka Chinese who led the Taiping Rebellion against the Qing Dynasty , establishing the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom over varying portions of southern China, with himself as the " Heavenly King " and self-proclaimed brother of Jesus Christ .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
The Taiping Rebellion was a massive civil war in southern China from 1850 to 1864, against the ruling Manchu -led Qing Dynasty . It was a millenarian movement led by Hong Xiuquan , who announced that he had received visions in which he learned that he was the younger brother of Jesus . At least 20 million people died, mainly civilians, in one of the deadliest military conflicts in history. [4]
Belligerents Later stages: [citation needed]
Taiping Heavenly Kingdom Commanders and leaders - Xianfeng Emperor
- Empress Dowager Cixi
- Zeng Guofan
- Sengge Rinchen
- Guanwen
- Zuo Zongtang
- Auguste Protet †
- Charles George Gordon
- Frederick T. Ward
(mercenary) † - Henry Andres Burgevine
(mercenary) †
Strength 1,100,000+ [1] 500,000 [2] Casualties and losses Total dead: At least 20 million, including civilians and soldiers (best estimate). [3] -
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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.
by mP ingiven the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.
like what marcion did.
wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.
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seraphim
As a Christian my own view is that Jesus went to the Jews because they needed more moral help than many cultures, along with the timing of it being in the middle of first truly international empire to spread the message far and wide as much as possible.
mP:
Jesus was not moral. If he was he would have spoken against slavery, but instead he tells stories telling the unfortunate to shutup and accept their fate. The same is true of women and his racist attitudes and tendancies.
Jesus is nothing special, hes just another name that has been reinvented and repurposed.
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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.
by mP ingiven the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.
like what marcion did.
wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.
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I was listening to a lecture by Alan Watts, and in one of them he was speaking about Jesus. Imagine Jesus having a cosmic consciousness experience, how is he now going to relate this higher concept, to a group of people who believe in what is written in scrolls, based on hearsay? What was the predominant narrative of his surroundings? He had to adapt his teaching to what his listeners understood, which was in the social narrative of his predominant cultural heritage, based on the Old Testament. Had Jesus been born amongst the Maya, the teachings would have been tailored to make sense to that culture. On that note, would it matter if Jesus was Black? Would it matter if Jesus looked Chinese? Questions for the Christians to ponder.
mP:
Jesus didnt teach anything new he only told the jews to be peaceful and good tax payers.
Everything he said was a copy or quotation from the OT. His love thy neihgbour is from Lev 19:18
19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself : I am the LORD.
The reason jesus said this was because the different rebellious or freedom fighting groups in Judea were literally killing each other on a massive scale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicarri
The Sicarii are mentioned by Josephus in Jewish Antiquities: "When Albinus reached the city of Jerusalem, he bent every effort and made every provision to ensure peace in the land by exterminating most of the Sicarii (xx.208).
The Sicarii carried sicae, or small daggers, concealed in their cloaks, hence their name. At public gatherings, they pulled out these daggers to attack Romans or Roman sympathizers, Herodians and wealthy Jews comfortable with Roman rule, lamenting ostentatiously after the deed to blend into the crowd to escape detection. Literally, Sicarii meant "dagger-men". [3]
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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.
by mP ingiven the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.
like what marcion did.
wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.
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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.
by mP ingiven the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.
like what marcion did.
wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.
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MP:
Never quote? Moi?? I know only what the Watchtower has painted for me?
COLD:
Sir, I’ve never been a Jehovah's Witness nor have I played on TV. What I’ve read in their publications always gives me a good laugh, but let’s discuss what you just said.
First, you make the outrageous comment that “we all know 3 million Jews did not just leave Egypt, nor did they travel thru the desert and so on.” Then you add, “Perhaps a few did leave here or there, but that is completely against what the story says.”
We all know that, eh? And how do we know it? How do you know Moses was fictional, or that a few million Israelites (Jews were of the tribe of Judah) didn’t just leave Egypt? Upon what do you base your scholarly assessments?
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And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls : for Joseph was in Egypt already.
mP:
So originally Jacob went down with 70.
And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.
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A bekah for every man, that is, half a shekel, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for every one that went to be numbered, from twenty years old and upward, for six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty men.
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1:45 So were all those that were numbered of the children of Israel, by the house of their fathers, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war in Israel; 1:46 Even all they that were numbered were six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty. mP:
600, 000 men left, lets be conservative and give them 1 wife and 2.5 kids. That gives us 3 million. Now how long were they in Egypt, lets let the BIble tell us.
GEN
Genesis 15:16
Amplified Bible (AMP)
16 And in the [a] fourth generation they [your descendants] shall come back here [to Canaan] again, for the iniquity of the [b] Amorites is not yet full and complete. (A)
Footnotes:
- Genesis 15:16 This prophecy was literally fulfilled. Moses, for example, who led the Israelites back to Canaan after their 400 years in Egypt, was “in the fourth generation” from Jacob—Levi, Kohath, Amram, Moses.
- Genesis 15:16 The most important and powerful group of that region. The name “Amorite” later became virtually synonymous with that of the inhabitants of Canaan generally.
So how did they explode from 70 to 3 million in such a few generations. to get tehre each women would have to have 15 or so kids, ad none were allowed to die until they too also had their 15. In those days child mortality was a real killer. Do the maths and show me to be wrong.
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DD
Hitler was not a rogue element, he was caught in a different time. Compare the actions of King David, Moses and Hitler and they are basically the same. If Hitler performed a centuries back he would be lost in the crowd. It wasnt that long ago that all rulers were just as bad, the problem is Hollywood loves to tell you how many jews hitler killed. Unfortunately many more Russians died but nobody ever hears about their pain. The simple fact is Russia won WW2 and it paid a very very heavy price.
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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.
by mP ingiven the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.
like what marcion did.
wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.
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jam:
Im sure most peoples in the ancient world all thought they were special, the jews were not unique. Mohammad invented his religion and said that the arabs were special. The problem is while their stories made extraoradinary claims, in the real world, jehovah was a no show. Every time someone bigger than judea turned up they got smashed. Perhaps in their minds the world was theres but in practical terms jehovah was a poor bet, because hes very good at taking but always fail to deliver.
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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.
by mP ingiven the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.
like what marcion did.
wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.
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COld:
Does he mean to undermine God’s existence or his ability to rule? That must be determined by the reader, but nothing mP has written has indicated to me that he knows anything about what he’s talking about. If we can’t depend on him to know about history, religion, culture or Jewish theology, how can we depend on him to give us an accurate and fair appraisal of Deity?
mP:
There are so many fancy inventions in the bible its not funny. Jesus believed in the Moses story and we all know 3 million jews did not just leave Egypt, nor did they travel thru the desert and so on. Perhaps a few did leave here or there, but that is completely against what the swtory says.
You on the other hand know little about jewish culture, except what the watchtower has painted for you, and thats why you can only rant and never quote.
Jehovah is an invention by the jewish priests and kings, to support their lifestyle and rule. Prove me wrong.
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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.
by mP ingiven the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.
like what marcion did.
wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.
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Cold:
In mP's case, he merely spouts off without knowing anything about the subject matter (except what he reads on other sites)
mP:
Too bad you couldnt give a single example of my errors. NOthing like a bit of personal attacks, to show how correct you are. Comeon show a little class and intelligence and prove me wrong.
Since i dont know the bible show me a few quotations, or even better show me where i have said a single untruth.
