Posts by mP

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

mP

mP: What if there was a troll who claims the exodus is true, and shows several scriptures supposedly holding prophecies about Jesus and then he is shown to be incorrect and then they quit because they cant handle the truth. What if that person was you?

Lost:

Then logic would have ceased to exist. I’ve noticed, mP, that your primary mode of answering arguments isn’t through scholarly assessments or a well thought out appeal to history, theology, ancient scriptures, anthropology or even your whacked out and inconsistent personal philosophy. What do you do? You resort to petty name calling.

mP:
really this is a bit far from someone who runs away from a little math, when i show that 70 cannot become 3 million in 200 years. You give scriptures and claim they are talking about jesus when his name or title are never mentioned. I gave many links, problem is y9ou cant reply.

Perhaps troll is a harsh word, i should have called you a coward, because you run away when it gets too hard to debate. Of course if im wrong show me how 70 becomes 3 million.

i dont need too lie, the thread is there foreveryone with timestamps and more for all too see.

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'Train your kids to give us money'

by The Quiet One in

this weeks watchtower study, paragraph 11: "even young children can learn to be generous toward jehovah.

'when our family makes a donation at the kingdom hall, we let our children put the money in the contribution box,' says their father, jason.

'they enjoy it because, as they put it, they're giving something to jehovah'.

mP

how did jehovah manage to create the universe when nobody was giving him money back then ?

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Reza Aslan (author, "Zealot: the life and times of Jesus of Nazareth") interview on TYT

by adamah in

reza aslan (author of "zealot: the life and times of jesus of nazareth") makes a few points during an interview on 'the young turks' that really deserve their own thread.. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k .

his main point often missed by modern-day believers is that the writers of the gospels weren't even attempting to write an accurate historical account (which is a modern concept) but instead seeking to convey truths (truisms) via jesus' use of parables and the story of his life and death.

mP

I think while jesus the character never existed the way the gospels describe, there is a lesson behind the text. by way of fraud the text is trying to convince the jews to turn away from their rebel leaders and accept rome. this is why there are so many pay your tax, and be a good slave stories. all romans in the story are presented as fair and never to blame. we have the absurd situation where the jewish people are blamed for executing jesus. i there are many puns for example in the story that tell us this.

the end of the world for the wicket rebellious jews was the warning that vespasian would come to seek roman vengance. titus was the son of god, the emperor was a god in the ancient world. he literally ruled the roman world. all the caesars were also officiall y declared devine by the senate.

iscariot = sicarri.

joseph of arimathea = jospehus ben matthais.

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The Paradox of Using Miracles to Explain the Bible Accounts

by Comatose in

i've been thinking about this for a week or so.

ill try to lay it out as clearly as possible without getting to long winded and id like to hear your thoughts.. .

i know the biblical account of the flood has been discussed ad nauseum.

mP

adamah

the gospels are historical, the problem is people dont know basic history of the time and cant accept the words were literally about the rebellion and tehd estruction of jersualem and the acceptance of rome as the new power. religion is always about politics. Kings are always using religion to scare or tell or manipulate the common people to their way of thinking.

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The Paradox of Using Miracles to Explain the Bible Accounts

by Comatose in

i've been thinking about this for a week or so.

ill try to lay it out as clearly as possible without getting to long winded and id like to hear your thoughts.. .

i know the biblical account of the flood has been discussed ad nauseum.

mP

comatose:

I believe the god of the oT is simply a representation of the forces of nature. When stuff went bad, be it a famine, or flood, everybody said somebody must have pissed god off. The same is also true in reverse, the priests scamed the locals into the temple donation business and gave their word they would be making god happy.

The points you highlight about the noah story can be explained by noah observing nature. perhaps one day the rainy season came in some part of the world near a river. it looked like it was going to be a bad rain so some noah character packed his belongings and a few sheep and a dog onto a boat. perhaps he saw a comet or a shooting star and figured out god was telling him to get on the boat with his family. the parts with the raven and dove are of course noah being ingenuitive. naturally noah figured the flood was becaus god was angry at the people for who knows what. if its wrong then its evil . heroes in the bible even when the y are evil by our standards are righteous because they worship jehovah.

when god talks to noah, its simply noah "reading" nature.

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God has always used one channel, one group of people, to communicate his messages to.

by poopieskoopie in

jw
friends

ok, since time indefinite jehovah has always used only one channel (his people) to reveal himself and future events to.. are we to totally disregard the dreams given to nebuchenezzer, then king of the world, in the book of daniel???

yes, dreams directly from god himself to a pagan deviate with a weird name.

why were they not given to daniel???

mP

Isaiah 20: 2-4 At the same time spake the LORD by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot. And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia;

MICAH

Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls. 9 For her wound is incurable; for it is come unto Judah; he is come unto the gate of my people, even to Jerusalem. 10 Declare ye it not at Gath, weep ye not at all: in the house of Aphrah roll thyself in the dust. 1

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God has always used one channel, one group of people, to communicate his messages to.

by poopieskoopie in

jw
friends

ok, since time indefinite jehovah has always used only one channel (his people) to reveal himself and future events to.. are we to totally disregard the dreams given to nebuchenezzer, then king of the world, in the book of daniel???

yes, dreams directly from god himself to a pagan deviate with a weird name.

why were they not given to daniel???

mP

1 Samuel 19:24 ?

Parallel Verses New International Version
He stripped off his garments, and he too prophesied in Samuel's presence. He lay naked all that day and all that night. This is why people say, "Is Saul also among the prophets?" New Living Translation
He tore off his clothes and lay naked on the ground all day and all night, prophesying in the presence of Samuel. The people who were watching exclaimed, "What? Is even Saul a prophet?" English Standard Version
And he too stripped off his clothes, and he too prophesied before Samuel and lay naked all that day and all that night. Thus it is said, “Is Saul also among the prophets?”

1 Samuel 10:11
When all those who had formerly known him saw him prophesying with the prophets, they asked each other, "What is this that has happened to the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets?"

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WT - Nisan 14 + the Paschal Full Moon = Babylonian Astronomy

by *lost* in

i stumbled across this today and found it rather interesting.

espescially as there is sometimes controversy over the nisan 14 date.. paschal full moon.. refers to the ecclesiastical full moon of the northern spring to determine the date of easter.

a full moon is a lunar phase that occurs when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.. the moon is in opposition with the sun.. babylonian astronomy.. according to asger asaboe - the origins of western astronomy can be found in mesopotamia and all western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the babylonian astronomers.. chaldeans were the astronomers of mesopotamia, who were, in reality, priest scribes specialising in astronomy and other forms of divination.

mP

Perhaps we should let Jospehus tell us a few things. Ive added some bolding to highlight the key portions.

http://www.raptureme.com/resource/fj/war-5.htm

5. When any persons entered into the temple, its floor received them. This part of the temple therefore was in height sixty cubits, and its length the same; whereas its breadth was but twenty cubits: but still that sixty cubits in length was divided again, and the first part of it was cut off at forty cubits, and had in it three things that were very wonderful and famous among all mankind, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar of incense. Now the seven lamps signified the seven planets; for so many there were springing out of the candlestick. Now the twelve loaves that were upon the table signified the circle of the zodiac and the year; but the altar of incense, by its thirteen kinds of sweet-smelling spices with which the s

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WT - Nisan 14 + the Paschal Full Moon = Babylonian Astronomy

by *lost* in

i stumbled across this today and found it rather interesting.

espescially as there is sometimes controversy over the nisan 14 date.. paschal full moon.. refers to the ecclesiastical full moon of the northern spring to determine the date of easter.

a full moon is a lunar phase that occurs when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.. the moon is in opposition with the sun.. babylonian astronomy.. according to asger asaboe - the origins of western astronomy can be found in mesopotamia and all western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the babylonian astronomers.. chaldeans were the astronomers of mesopotamia, who were, in reality, priest scribes specialising in astronomy and other forms of divination.

mP

ANN

Seven-branched Menorah, called as 'Shabbat', is available in the stores. But, the Menorah used in Hanukkah has nine branches. It is called as Chanukiah (or Hanukkiah).
All the eight candles of Chanukiah must be in a straight line while Shamash (the 'servant candle') should be out of alignment with the other candles and should be positioned at the middle of the candelabrum, positioned slightly higher than the rest of the candles.

MP:

You might want to look up what Shamash means, clue Shamash is the Hebrew for Samson and it means sun. Samson was a solar god, the entire story is filled with solar imagery. The story of Samson is basically a hebrew form of the 12 tasks of hercules.

long hair = sun rays, a sun without rays has no strength.

dies in giza = the sun sets in the west.

the two pilars he knocks over = pillars of hercules in the west

The story is filled with calendar values, 7, 30, 12, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson

Samson ( Hebrew : ?????????? , Modern Shimshon Tiberian Šimšôn , meaning "man of the sun"); [1] Shamshoun ( Arabic : ????? ‎ Shamshun / Šamšun ) or Sampson ( Greek : Σαμψ?ν ) is one of the last of the Judges of the ancient Israelites mentioned in the Hebrew Bible ( Book of Judges chapters 13 to 16).

The Menorah represents the 7 heavenly bodies and they orbit the sun or candles.

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WT - Nisan 14 + the Paschal Full Moon = Babylonian Astronomy

by *lost* in

i stumbled across this today and found it rather interesting.

espescially as there is sometimes controversy over the nisan 14 date.. paschal full moon.. refers to the ecclesiastical full moon of the northern spring to determine the date of easter.

a full moon is a lunar phase that occurs when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.. the moon is in opposition with the sun.. babylonian astronomy.. according to asger asaboe - the origins of western astronomy can be found in mesopotamia and all western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the babylonian astronomers.. chaldeans were the astronomers of mesopotamia, who were, in reality, priest scribes specialising in astronomy and other forms of divination.

mP

Ann

Yes quite. The OT condemns the practice of astrology and seeking guidance from other gods.

mP:

And yet Daniel a hero worked as an astrologer for the king of Babylon and is miraculously saved. Everybody quotes Daniel and he is never condemned for this vacation.

ANN:

According to the OT, bad things happened to the Israelites when they became unfaithful.

mP:

They never win no matter what. Just look at what happened to their bestest king Josiah.