Posts by mP

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Did Moses prophesy falsely? Is it always unforgivable?

by DATA-DOG in

mP

DataDog:

I think the main motivation for the story was simply a way to kill Moses off. After all since he was gone, they had to have a way of explaining this and to also scare the locals w/ the fear of god.

Like all good stories in the Torah, there are two versions of the same ev ent, that are the same but also different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meribah

The Biblical text mentions two very similar episodes that both occur at a place named Meribah . The episode recounted by the Book of Exodus features the Israelites quarreling with Moses about the lack of water, and Moses rebuking the Israelites for testing Yahweh ; [8] the text states that it was on this account that the place gained the name Massah , [1] meaning testing , and the name Meribah , [1] meaning quarreling . The narrative in the Book of Exodus states that, on account of their thirst, the Israelites grumbled against Moses, [9] so Moses, in fear for his life, appeals to Yahweh; [10] the narrative continues with Yahweh telling Moses to walk ahead of the others, and strike the rock at Horeb with his rod, [11] and when Moses does this, it causes the rock to expel water. [12]

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Did Jesus ever shunned anyone?

by UBM101 in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/258772/1/shocking-talk-from-2013-district-convention-urges-parents-to-shun-disfellowshipped-children.

i am sick to my stomach after watching this video by cedars.

that pharisee stephen bell said we should follow the example of jesus but did jesus ever shun anyone in the bible?.

Jesus said to love your enemies and even in thessalonians paul said to keep admonishing them as a 'brother' If one is kicked out of the religion and never talked to, how can he still be your brother? So clearly the JW's have it wrong.

mP:

More lies about jesus. jesus told his disciples to not preach and talk to gentiles. Call it what y9ou want but it equates to the same.

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Did Jesus ever shunned anyone?

by UBM101 in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/258772/1/shocking-talk-from-2013-district-convention-urges-parents-to-shun-disfellowshipped-children.

i am sick to my stomach after watching this video by cedars.

that pharisee stephen bell said we should follow the example of jesus but did jesus ever shun anyone in the bible?.

mP

TEC

Nowhere does Christ teach that his followers are to DO the persecution or shunning, etc. He warns only that his followers will be the subjects of those things.

mP:

Tammy, is it not extremely bad form to not share the greatest message with non jews ? Isnt this the same kind of behaviour we expect of terrible men like nazis or the kkk ? If any kid in kindergarten repeated the same behaviuor as Jesus and apostles what would you say ?

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What is with Jeremiah 5:8 in the NWT

by HowTheBibleWasInvented in

as already posted im agnostic... but i find the texts of the bible the world's most famous book.. .

check jeremiah 5:8 out in the nwt.

while thismight now be shocking in the judean prophets what is shocking is this is a mojor addtion to the text to make it sound vile.

mP

@how

There are a few other scriptures that talk about the penises of horses as well. Religion in ancient judea was fertility oriented or inspired. The hebrew word for holy qadesh comes from the same root as holy prostitute. Given their fanatacism about circumcision this is no surprise. This of course leads to another question, how did they know everybody was circumsized ? Who and when was this checked ? How did others know Jesus was circumcized or for that matter Peter ? How did Peter know some of the believers were not circumciszed. The simple answer is they screwed at the temple to get closer to god and hope for a good harvest, just like their Canaanite neighbours sorry cousins.

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Did Jesus ever shunned anyone?

by UBM101 in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/258772/1/shocking-talk-from-2013-district-convention-urges-parents-to-shun-disfellowshipped-children.

i am sick to my stomach after watching this video by cedars.

that pharisee stephen bell said we should follow the example of jesus but did jesus ever shun anyone in the bible?.

mP

Jeffro;

None of the stories about Jesus suggest that the character ever shunned anyone, though he was a bit of a prick to the poor Phoenician woman.

mP:

he was not a bit , he was. perhaps the only interaction with a gentile women and she has to equate herself with a dog. you might not realise it, but being compared to a dog is a big insult in those cultures, in much the same way calling someone a "bxtch' etc is quite an insult. this was a terrible exaple to set. im sure if anybody else called a loved woman in your life something like that you would be disgusted. in fact i highly doubt you would invite them for dinner or something at your home.

The sad thing is people lie to themselves and everyone else about Jesus, claiming he was good or nice, when the truth is quite the opposite. He would be considered a vile pig if he repeated the same today. just look at his disciples, he taught peter and the others so well, they refused to eat with non jews. Whats the difference between them and the kkk ? Arent they both just racist pigs ? How could "good" jesus have taught his disciples so poorly that they all ended up like this ? perhaps the simple answer is he was just like them.

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Is (a possible) revised NWT prompted by lapsing copyright?

by slimboyfat in

in the united states i gather that copyright lasts for the lifetime of the author plus 70 years.

if copyright only lasts for 70 years from publication of anonymous works, then copyright for the nwt of the christian greek scriptures would be due to run out in a few years.

watchtower leaders probably don't like the idea of others being able to publish hard copies or circulate the nwt in ebook format.

mP

If they want everybody to read the bible, why have copyright ? Wouldnt copying it be the right thing to do ?

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Is (a possible) revised NWT prompted by lapsing copyright?

by slimboyfat in

in the united states i gather that copyright lasts for the lifetime of the author plus 70 years.

if copyright only lasts for 70 years from publication of anonymous works, then copyright for the nwt of the christian greek scriptures would be due to run out in a few years.

watchtower leaders probably don't like the idea of others being able to publish hard copies or circulate the nwt in ebook format.

mP

Narc

You think the FBI is going to enforce international copyright law for the benefit of these jokers???

mP:
You mean war ? The FBI has jurisdiction outside the uSA.

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Seeing the name "Jehovah" was a catholic invention of the 13th century and was popularised by Apostates because of its usage,"Aid Book",will new light reveal another name in the future ? Maybe Yahweh ?

by smiddy in

the witnesses say the apostacy took place after the last of the apostles died off , the name jehovah was invented by a catholic monk in the 13th century and because of its popularity among christendom (apostates ) it became acceptable.

and they have adopted it ?.

are the jehovahs witnesses following along with apostacy ?

mP

Jeffro:

Kinda like Jesus only became a godman or known because of this same church, sorry empire. Same goes for Nazareth, which was found by Constantines mum.

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Josephus in "the Jewish War" remarks on the nature of eternal life

by kepler in

there is a corresponding topic on science and the immortal soul that reminded me of something that i had encountered in the 7th chapter of josephus's history of the roman campaigns in judea, "the jewish war".

one version of this is available in penguin classics, for example.

"among the jews are three schools of thought, whose adherents are called pharisees, sadducees and essenes respectively...".

mP

hannes

All scripture is about bringing back what was lost. Even by calling the human image and likeness of God death is already being called into question, if you think about it. What prevalence would be there over the reptile's sting, if not in a reversal of death to life?

mP:

WHy does it matter that we lost all the cruelty, bigotry, hatred, racial separation, classes and so many other terrible practices ? I personally couldnt be happier that we have made progress and that religion in all its forms including xianity is fading into the past.

Hannes

What use of sacrifices, however useless they were, if there were no hope at all in a remedy against the dieing?

mP:

Follow the money. Sacrifices of animals, food, drink and more were freebies for the priests. Seriously why would the god of the universe need pathetic sacrifices of a few sheep or whatever. Its a bit like us getting a microscopic crumb from ants. Its so pathetic why bother.

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Using the name Jehovah when praying

by Ding in

i know of number of jws who believe that if anyone doesn't address god as jehovah when praying that the prayer really goes to satan... especially if you pray to someone else (jesus, for example).. i haven't been able to find that specific teaching in wt literature.

they do say that we are to pray only to jehovah, but i haven't been able to locate a publication that says the prayer really goes to satan if you don't.. is there such a reference?.

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mP

Cold:

Jesus identified himself as the great I AM when he told the Jews, "Before Abraham was, I AM."

mP:

Scripture...

Cold:

BTW, are you going to retract the TF as evidence for Jesus ?