Again, our so-called "modern" thinking and mores affects our interpretation of the above narrative (WTBTS interpretation trumps all). For another look at Dinah's story, http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/dinah-bible. What if the "rape" of Dinah is not really rape? Remember the ancient "barbaric " custom of raiding other villages to get wives? Was that wrong in the context of that culture and time?
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'Dinah Gets Into Trouble' - Does Story 20 Mean Rape = Fornication?
by sd-7 ini was listening, albeit unwittingly, to a 'my book of bible stories' tape and this statement caught me by surprise.
it's found in story 20:.
"one day when dinah came to visit, shechem took dinah and forced her to lie down with him.
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One Lord - One Savior : Get Used To It
by Perry injehovah in the old testament and jesus in the new testament are one and the same.. .
3. jehovah is salvation.
5. jehovah wants only himself to be worshipped.
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vanyell
Funny how we judge OT times with our modern conception of ethics and beliefs. It's like comparing apples to oranges, not the same thing. We pride ourselves be "civilized", but underneath the veneer of sophistry and semantics, we are no different from the people in ancient times.
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A JWN Member just lost her Husband and She could use some encouragement.
by ohiocowboy inon 4/6, the poster orphan annie posted about her experiences with jw's and her ill husband.
unfortunately, her husband died monday, and she is feeling very sad.
i just wanted to make others aware of it, so that we can encourage her and give her some much needed support during this rough time.. her original thread is here.
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vanyell
Losing any family member is truly a devastating. No words are enough to console the bereaved family. I'd like to share a poem which has been around for a long time, which I immediately recalled upon reading this post. My sincerest condolences.....
http://www.footprints-inthe-sand.com/index.php?page=Poem/Poem.php
Footprints in the Sand
One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord.
Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand.
Sometimes there were two sets of footprints,
other times there were one set of footprints.
This bothered me because I noticed
that during the low periods of my life,
when I was suffering from
anguish, sorrow or defeat,
I could see only one set of footprints.
So I said to the Lord,
"You promised me Lord,
that if I followed you,
you would walk with me always.
But I have noticed that during
the most trying periods of my life
there have only been one
set of footprints in the sand.
Why, when I needed you most,
you have not been there for me?"
The Lord replied,
"The times when you have
seen only one set of footprints,
is when I carried you."
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The ugliest statment A parent can say to their child.
by jam inmy ex (jw) told my two youngest 9 and 11, your dad.
wanted more kids, meaning them.
we had two older.. how would a child feel after their mother tell them, i really.
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vanyell
It's really painful to have parents that tell their children that they are not liked or aren't wanted at all. Children, as result will go either way, being self destructive or learn to live a full life. It's really up to the child personally on how will one decide to react to such a screwy situation. Unfortunately, a lot of those will chose self-destruction. With JW's practice of shunning, it is even more imperative that the ex-JW community be able to provide a positive supporting structure to help those persons deeply affected by this insidious doctrine. To help them to stand on their own and realize that having free will means that one gets to choose what path to take. and the courage to stand on it. Whether there is a God or not, we must be cognizant of the fact that, in the end, one is truly alone. Fight the good fight. Kudos to all the members of the forum who have been extremely supportiive, compassionate and patient with ex-JW newbies and JW trolls.
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Steven Unthanks case . . . this might help fill some gaps.
by sizemik ini was alerted to steven unthanks latest feature article on jwnews.net .
.. it was posted just a few days ago (11th) and explains a number of things some have puzzled over with regard to australian law, and why things unfolded as they did.. it includes a report compiled by an ex-jw who attended the hearings.. for those that took an interest in the case .
it might fill in some gaps for you.. it's on the home page and entitled .
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vanyell
Hopefully we can get an official transcript of proceedings where the Vincent Toole solicitors just punched another hole in the water logged ship of the JWs. Is there one?
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses any better/nicer/kinder/more loving/anything positive than members of any other religions or those not adhering to any religion?
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vanyell
Let's not paint every JW with the same brush. Unfortunately though, their reaction does give credit to their being negative to all things against their rag doll...
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So wonderful little [...] and other punctuation
by Lady Lee ina couple of days ago i read a thread on here where some people were questioning the authenticity of something posted.
hey for a group of people who have been conned and lied to i get that we are a suspicious bunch.
then yesterday i tried reading something that started by posting a quote from a wt.
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vanyell
I agree with Lady Lee... Those ellipses, "...", really really contributes a lot to the intellectual dishonesty that WTBTS is pulling off on its R&F. It's so sad that people are so willing to let their mind go to waste.
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is it normal for a father, to walk hand in hand in public with his adult daughter?
by varian intalking about europe and the western world....
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vanyell
Malice is in the eyes of the beholder. I guess our paranoia of DOMs, have led us to suspect everything has a dark sexual side. Hurray for Freud for starting this mess.
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55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
by blondie inmy husband and i had a nice visit with frank toth at grace gough's home.
it was great.
he has written a few things.
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vanyell
I would that they (JWs/Bible Students) did start out to look for the truth. But then they failed to exercise their free will, choosing instead to blindly follow someone who says they have the sole Truth. In fact, it is the tendency of human nature to follow the easy path. The easy path of leaving the thinking to others, and just follow what is being said without any critical thinking.
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Yahoo! Answers is swarming with JWs
by DilemmaGF inalmost all the questions in yahoo!
answers related to jw are answered by jws.....
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vanyell
A couple of non-English Facebook pages by Jehovah's Witness have been pretty much the same. Seems like WTBTS is pushing hard in developing countries (non-English), unfortunately most of the R&F there are extremely ignorant of the past history of JW on how screwed up it can be. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.