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Looking for feedback on this approach

by NCC-1701 in

here's something i've brought up into conversation with a couple of witnessess and i was curious about what other thought.. let's say a witness goes into a coffee shop and sits between an athiest and a christian.. the witness starts a conversation with the athiest about the bible.

the athiest poses the question about the reliability of the bible.

the witness explains that the bible is completely trustworthy because of it's historical accuracy, meticulous transmission, etc.. the athiest says that's interesting and thanks him for the information.. the witness then turns to the christian and begins the same conversation he had with the athiest.

leaving_quietly

I may be completely off base here, but I thought there was documented evidence of at least 134 changes made by the Sopherim. This is noted in the NWT Reference Bible, as well as other non-JW sites on the internet.

For example:

http://www.oocities.org/hebrew_roots/html/hr-2-1-02.html

http://www.biblestudysite.com/32.htm

http://livingtheway.org/sopherim.html

http://www.faith-once-delivered.org/pages/5-134-emendations.php

The evidence apparently comes from the first page of the Massorah.

I don't personally know a whole lot about this, except that this explains 134 places in the NT.

But, yes, you make a valid point.

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w92 7/15: "It is the obligation of all JWs to hate apostates"

by cedars in

today i was doing some research for a new article, and i came across the following quote which succeeded in raising my eyebrows.... "the obligation to hate lawlessness also applies to all activity by apostates.

our attitude toward apostates should be that of david, who declared: 'do i not hate those who are intensely hating you, o jehovah, and do i not feel a loathing for those revolting against you?

with a complete hatred i do hate them.

leaving_quietly

@Change Name, it is proper to abhor wickedness. However, the Society equates people who disagree with THEM as being people who oppose JEHOVAH. To the Society, the two are mutually inclusive... one cannot be without the other. This may be true in some cases, but from what I've seen, the vast majority here do not oppose Jehovah or Jesus. Many here simply oppose the way they are treated when they disagree with certain teachings of men based on their own Bible research, and slapping a term like "apostate" on any who disagree with men's teachings that have changed, flip-flopped, been reversed, etc. is really an affront to these individuals.

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Leaps in Logic Reguarding The Faithful Slave of Matt:25:42-46 and The Governing Body Claim of Authority it Gives Them

by frankiespeakin in

do you see anything even remotely in these scripture that fore tell a future slave that would dominate the rest of the slaves with a publishing company?

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42 therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your lord will come.43 but understand this: if the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.44 so you also must be ready, because the son of man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.. 45 who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?46 it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns..

leaving_quietly

It's an interesting question/parable Jesus posed. I've been toying with the correlation between Pharaoh/Joseph and Jehovah/Jesus. Genesis 41:33-49 is where the account is. Pharaoh put Joseph in charge, literally, of the food supplies. In addition, Pharaoh made Joseph second in all his kingdom and gave him full authority over everything but the throne. It's a very similar relationship between Jehovah and Jesus.

So, could Jesus have been referring to himself? I think it's possible. He often talked about himself in the third person (e.g. "the Son of man" is used quite a bit). He also mentions "that evil slave". Perhaps here he was simply saying what the alternative would be if he did not carry out his duties faithfully. It's just a thought I've been entertaining. Probably not right, but it's interesting to ponder.

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jw's view of wordly people - hipocrisy

by spirituk in

jw
friends

i was wondering how a baptised jw see wordly people?

i mean what do they think of people who arent jw ?

do they think we will die forever and that we are controlled by satan?

leaving_quietly

"Worldly people" are people who are not Christians.

Actually, "worldly people" are people who are not Jehovah's Witnesses.

And, there is a marked difference with the term "Christians". Blondie said that there phrase "worldly people" has not been used as much in recent years. That's true. Instead, sentences that apply to JWs generally use the phrase "true Christians".

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The Bible and Masturbation...4000 years of inspired input and no scriptures about it ?

by smiddy in

my philosophy when i was a teenager :"those who admit to it are stupid ,those who deny it are liars" that was my response to peers who posed such a subject when i was a teen .now, being a mature aged person i think this subject could do with a bit more enlightened content.. i am a male so i can`t speak for the females ,who, i hope will give their input on this topic for discussion.and i mean it as a serious discussion.. males experience erections from the time they are babies and the natural thing to do is to hold it , and before you know it fondling it gives you releif.. society doesnt help by making you feel guilty and like shit as a dirty person.why in the world do babes ,young children ,young boys get erections before they even know what it`s function is for.

if a god designed sex for procreation then surely this wouldnt become an issue until they reached the age of puberty ,not when a male is still a baby.. and getting back to my op nowhere in the bible does it talk about masturbation which surely has been going on since adam was a boy/man.. i`m sorry, but to deny that you would have to be a complete idiot ,imbecile ,fool ,or just brain dead.. so for 4000 years of inspired scriptures from god ,nothing is said about a condition that effects every man from his birth to his death .. makes you wonder doesn`t it ?.

smiddy.

leaving_quietly

Erm, 88JM, study much? LOL!

OMG, I totally remember reading that stuff from the Youth book when I was a kid. How completely awkward!!!!

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Jehovah's Witnesses and the term "Governing Body"

by I_love_Jeff in

the term "governing body" is not in the bible.

they tend to squirm out of such reasoning with something like this, "the word 'bible' is not in the holy scriptures but you still say it, right?

" "the holy scriptures" (2 tim.

leaving_quietly

What "The Searcher" said. That and Acts 15:24 starts off as a sort of apology letter ... 'er, um, hey there folks, since some really bad guys came down to you and started teaching you things we didn't tell them to teach, here's what the real deal is . . .'

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Using Microsoft Excel to disprove Watchtower Theology & Authority

by Londo111 in

for this, you will need to consult the book pay attention to daniels prophecy!

(unfortunately, i dont think it can be found on jw.org).

in the first exercise, review pages 141 to 143, and page 301. .

leaving_quietly

Londo,

An caveat is found on page 178 of Daniel's Prophecy: "Counting 2,300 days (6 years, 4 months, and 20 days on the Hebrew calendar) from June 1 or 15, 1938, brings us to October 8 or 22, 1944."

The thing about the internet now is that there are Hebrew calendar converters out there. Here's what I ended up with:

Hebrew calculation: 2 Sivan 5698 - 22 Tishri 5704, which is 6/1/1938 - 10/23/1943
Hebrew calculation: 16 Sivan 5698 - 8 Cheshvan 5704, which is 6/15/1938 - 11/6/1943

I am by no means an expert with the Hebrew calendar, so someone should double-check me. What's baffling me is that 1938 + 6 = 1944, so it would make sense to say that sometime in 1944 was it, but 5698 + 6 = 5704 on the Hebrew calendar, which is only 5 years on the Gregorian calendar.

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April 2013 Our Kingdom Ministry and other files

by Atlantis in

standing in for atlantis.

i post as [vulcan] with my daughter [petra] who helps as typist.

atlantis said that all of you would know about the download procedures.

leaving_quietly

Londo, Jesus hasn't arrived, yet. That's part of the "new light" change at the Annual Meeting. This, to me, is bigger than the FDS = GB.

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May 15, 2013 WT up on jw.org now

by Gayle in

has article, page 32 which states about their 'neutrality' policy.

although our position as christian neutrals may not have been fully understood by our brothers nearly a century ago, they sought to please jehovah god.

this is aggravating, as the wts had 'policy' for so many years that jws could not do 'alternative' service.

leaving_quietly

"air-conditioned dog kennel"... Nowadays I find that laughable. A small conditioner at one of those big-box stores is what... $99 USD?

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607 - What is it all about?

by leaving_quietly in

some of you here have a firm belief that 607 was not the fall of jerusalem, contrary to the wt beliefs that it was.

but, why is it important?

frankly, i just don't get it.

leaving_quietly

Londo...

But in a world where the 1290 days gets fulfilled at a convention held in an amusement park, and the 1335 days end with the book Deliverance that very few active JWs have even cracked open

LOL! I hear you on this one. I shake my head every time I read the supposed fulfillment. No JW can really explain this, but these prophecies seem to be fairly important if you read Daniel 12:12: "Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!"

For me, I don't need to keep trying to understand the mess made about 607/586. The realization that there is no such 2,520 years prophecy is good enough for me.

leaving_quietly

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