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  Is Armageddon part of the Great Tribulation? what was WT writers word?

  by prologos in

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  or put into other words:.

  is armageddon included in in "all the things" that are to come to pass during the 'generation' that jesus spoke about?.

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  leaving_quietly

  I should have put more of the passage there.

  (Matthew 24:29-31) “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity."

  So, the tribulation does not culminate in Armageddon, according to Jesus. Right AFTER the tribulation, is when signs in heaven will be and when the "second coming" occurs.

  It's possible that Armageddon comes after that. It's also possible that what WT refers to as the final test at the end of the 1000 years in Rev 20:8 is actually what Armageddon refers to. I'm not so certain about that, but it's something that some feel could be the case.
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  My Elderette returns for a final Bible Study session, after I avoided her for 2 months (very long post)

  by Faithful Witness in

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  some of this will be repeat, since it's been a little while since i posted about my "bible study" sessions with miss k, my elderette.

  we are talking about the name of jehovah.

  thanks for talking with us today.

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  leaving_quietly

  I have found it impossible to get a JW to express their own opinions or beliefs.

  JWs are trained NOT to express their own opinions or beliefs. They will have a scripture for everything, regardless of whether that scripture is used in the proper context or not.

  "I just know we have the TRUTH." and "I believe what the Bible says."

  Unless they are in union with Christ, they do not have the TRUTH.

  Take them to these verses:

  Christ said this to Pilate: "Everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice." (John 18:37)
  
  Christ also said this: "Most truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves." (John 6:53).

  The question to ask: If Christ said that everyone on ths side of the truth listens to his voice, and said that they should eat his flesh and drink his blood (figuratively by the bread and the wine), and unless one does, they have no life in themselves, why is it that JWs largely refuse to do this at their annual memorial? And before answering that, keeping in mind that you said, "I believe what the Bible says," the Bible says at John 6:54: "Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day." JWs limit this to 144,000, but the Bible does not say that anywhere. The Bible says, "Whoever".
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  God listens and RESPONDS to your prayer if you know how to log on to Him! Here is the proof.

  by exWTslave in

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  all my family members and friends (that include some elders) advised me to divorce my wife whose only joy was to pick up fight with me for everything i do, except my grand-mother who said: when you married her, you looked for only her good pointher regular pioneering despite having an opposing family.

  for being good, you will ultimately reap something far better through her.

  stick on to her.

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  leaving_quietly

  This thread made me think of what was reported to have happened in Bible times. Both Peter and Paul fell into trances and had some sort of communication with God / the holy spirit. (Acts 11:5; 22:17) Both were praying at the time. Makes me wonder if the "visions" in the Bible were also as a result of a trance-like state.
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  Is Armageddon part of the Great Tribulation? what was WT writers word?

  by prologos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  or put into other words:.

  is armageddon included in in "all the things" that are to come to pass during the 'generation' that jesus spoke about?.

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  leaving_quietly

  *** w08 5/15 p. 16 par. 19 Deliverance by God’s Kingdom Is at Hand! ***
  When we remember that on one occasion it took just one angel only a single night to “strike down a hundred and eighty-five thousand” of God’s enemies, we can be confident that the heavenly army will easily destroy every vestige of Satan’s system on earth as the great tribulation culminates in Armageddon.

  This, of course, flies in the face of scripture.

  Matt 24:29:
  “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
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  God listens and RESPONDS to your prayer if you know how to log on to Him! Here is the proof.

  by exWTslave in

  1. watchtower
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  all my family members and friends (that include some elders) advised me to divorce my wife whose only joy was to pick up fight with me for everything i do, except my grand-mother who said: when you married her, you looked for only her good pointher regular pioneering despite having an opposing family.

  for being good, you will ultimately reap something far better through her.

  stick on to her.

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  leaving_quietly

  I have no reason to doubt your account and it took great courage to post it here where you likely knew you'd be mocked. Thanks for sharing.
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  Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?

  by Bart Belteshassur in

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  i haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.

  in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.

  once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.

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  leaving_quietly

  There is no need to disprove 607 B.C.E. One must first prove that there is a prophecy that points to 1914 in the first place.

  Here's the Society's official stance: http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914

  Now, go READ Daniel 4 in its entirety and see if there's any room left for a SECOND fulfillment of the vision. Specifically verse 24.

  If there is no second fulfillment, then the whole 1914 chronology thing falls apart.
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  Just an old illustration from "Religion"

  by wifibandit in

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  leaving_quietly

  Wow. Color, no less.

  I'm amazed at how, um, sexy, that woman is. Doesn't even have any baby fat after having just given birth. Amazing!
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  New Campaign

  by awakenyr2004 in

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  the largest in history is what they are all buzzing about.

  does this mean that jehovah will save the internet at armageddon?.

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  leaving_quietly

  LOL! Good question!

  I wonder how this will turn out, though. In our cong. there are significantly fewer Auxiliary Pioneers than the first time the 30-hour requirement was announced. Thus far, it's a bust on that front.
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  Elders are more loyal to a rubber stamp

  by Rattigan350 in

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  isn't it amazing that the elders are more loyal to a rubber stamp on a letter from new york or whatever branch, than they are to the people they know and have known for years in their own congregation?.

  when you think about that, the reason is that they get their power from that rubber stamp.

  that is what appointed them, and that is what can unappoint them.

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  leaving_quietly

  Interesting thought. Words on a piece of paper are very powerful. Thus the saying, "The pen is mightier than the sword."
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  Why are there NO articles about JW near death experiences and death bed visions?

  by freeatlast36 in

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  my dad died recently and was a long time jw.

  we have had some interesting experiences with his passing and have been researching for other jw stories and there are none.

  anyone know why?

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  leaving_quietly

  Along the same lines, what about "connected" experiences, such as siblings who intrinsically know the other one is in trouble, or has even died? That seems to happen with twins, but it has even happened with siblings. I know of one JW sister who knew when her fleshly brother died before she was even told. She said she just had this unexplainable feeling that something terrible happened to him. It's not something JWs talk about much, either.