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  What would happen if...

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  2. beliefs

  in an effort to excuse yourself from elder persecution, you present an argument.

  whether at a jc or just in an average elder shepherding call.

  most people who have confronted a jc, have tried to explain to the elders about what they know of the org but the incriminating questions always come up.. when confronted with the question, do you still believe the gb is the f&ds?

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  do you still believe the GB is the F&DS ?

  How can I? Even THEY didn't believe it until 2012 when they announced it at the Annual Meeting. I mean, come on! Over 90 years and they didn't know they were the F&DS?!?!?!
  
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  "well beyond the intent of the scriptures" 7:44

  by biblexaminer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  if you have the jw app running on your tablet, watch the latest (may) governing broadcast and hear tony the jackass, and when you get to 7 minutes and 44 seconds ...hit the pause button.. read the words at the bottom of the screen as per the jw app close captioning.. "well beyond the intent of the scriptures" .

  he is describing the governing body past, like the ghost of christmas past.

  yes, the governing body past were a bunch of freaking yahoo's violating 1 cor.

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  leaving_quietly

  In context, he was talking about the early 1900s. He says: "In the early 1900s, the focus was on preaching the good news. Little attention was given to building strong Christian marriages and families. For a time, marriage was even discouraged, well beyond the intent of the scriptures."
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  Gorby says goodbye

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my eyes for ttatt opened in 1995 with the generation change and the wt magazine stated "some witness thought that the generation started in 1914".

  since 1997, with internet at low speed, i followed h2o hourglass, www.xjw.com and later on www.jehovahs-witness.net.. did a bachelor and post bachelor since then.. now, nearly completed with fading, i feel it's time to go on with my life and do some other things, spending more time with my wife abd children instead of thinking about jw topics in my head.

  goal is being a better person and less grumpy at 45.... everything what could be said is already said.

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  Best to you Gorby!
  
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  Today's Study - Shun Disfellowshipped Family, Don't Marry Outsiders, Tell On Others!

  by Divergent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  urghhh... what a disgusting study!7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

  for example, a sister named anne received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

  the mother wanted to visit anne because she felt pained by her isolation from the family.

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  leaving_quietly

  They love to use 2 John 1:10,11, don't they? Let's review:

  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.
  

  Ok, fair enough, but what is "this teaching?" Let's back up and see the context.

  Look out for yourselves, so that you do not lose the things we have worked to produce, but that you may obtain a full reward. 9 Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.

  Hmm. The "teaching of the Christ." Let's see:

  • Did Christ teach about a paradise earth?
  • Did Christ teach that only 144,000 will go to heaven?
  • Did Christ teach that he would come in 1914?

  If the answer to any of these is "yes," please show me from the Bible. If any of these are, no, then let's go back to 2 John and review verse 9.
  

  Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God.

  I ask, then, who, really should be "shunned?"
  
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  Ring Home Security commercial featuring JW's

  by duc007az in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the other day i was perusing on facebook and stumbled on a sponsored advertisement for ring home security.

  the commercial was saying how you can monitor unwanted soliciting without answering the door.

  anyway, the solicitors at the door were jw's offering the awake and watchtower.

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  Doubt it was a commercial... probably a customer story that the customer took down. Couldn't find this one, but found another one under their customer stories on the website. Gray bible gives it away.
  

  https://ring.com/customer-stories#do-not-disturb
  
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  WILL this be New Light? Is the Watchtower preparing to say out loud, Jesus is Jehovah?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk7ertncbsk

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  WT isn't saying "Lord" is Jehovah in these footnotes. The footnotes are saying that those particular J references are translating "Lord" as "Jehovah" or "Jehovah God". For example, the footnote on 1 Pet 3:15 in Rbi8 says:

  “The Christ as Lord,” אABC; TR, “the Lord God”; J7,8,11-14,16,17,24, “Jehovah God.”

  This is saying that:

  אABC translate it as "The Christ as Lord

  TR translate as "the Lord God

  J7,8,11-14,16,17,24 translate it as "Jehovah God"

  At least, that's how I'm reading these footnotes.
  
  
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  Prince's will

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is it possible that watchtower is in possession of prince's will and the legal department is waiting for the until things settle down to produce it?.

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  There was no will. I read an article today (can't find it at the moment) that said state law is that the estate is supposed to be split up equally among his siblings when there is no will. This article shows there was no will and an administrator was appointed by the county to manage his estate. I doubt WTBTS has any sort of legal claim to his estate. Nothing would surprise me, but somehow, I think not this time.
  
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  The Perfect Ones...

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  with the rc coming i was wondering if anyone else noticed how some jws seemed to have everything somehow?

  you would see these attractive young couples who clearly were well off.

  the brother had privileges though so you know he was at the meetings and fs regularly.

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  This isn't just with JWs. I live in an area where prices for a modest home is in the $270-$500K (USD) range. Watching shows on HGTV where young couples in Southern California are shelling out $800K and upwards for their homes is just unbelievable to me. I make a pretty darned good income (i'd be considered upper middle-class, I suppose,) but it's taken me years to work up to it, and even with my income, I could never afford to pay that much for a home. How do they do it? With student loans and potentially other debt, I mean, come on!

  Anyway, lots of people like to have their Starbucks and their nice cars and maybe even their nice homes. The big problem, especially with young couples, is that this instant gratification costs a lot of money, thus a lot of debt. Maybe not for all of them. Maybe some are really good at managing their money and maybe some have really good jobs. These fancy coffees are, what? $3-$5 a piece? Do that once per day for two people every day of the month and you're in it for $90-$150 monthly just for coffee.

  Anyway, my point is, this isn't just a JW thing. Young couples these days feel entitled, and some are willing to go into debt to satisfy that entitlement. It's too bad, really. The cycle never ends.
  
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  Door to Door

  by Drifting Away in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i hear my wife say to me " we are the only religion that does the will of god , and that is to preach door to door, and speak about gods kingdom" and in one sense she is correct, i know there are others that preach door to door, but then someone told me door to door, does not literally mean door to door in modern times.

  i was confused, has anyone ever heard of this before?

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  When two elders met with me, this was the first thing one of them said. It's a de facto, go to line. "We're the only religion who preaches door to door." To which, I said: That is not the only way preaching was done in the first century. For example, the Ethiopian Eunuch wasn't going door-to-door when the angel directed him to run alongside the chariot. And, for that matter JWs aren't the only ones preaching, nor do they need to be. Jesus never once said that would be the mark of true Christians. I then mentioned that Paul didn't mind that others were preaching Christ, and directed them to Philippians 1:15-18:

  True, some are preaching the Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter are proclaiming the Christ out of love, for they know that I have been appointed to defend the good news; 17 but the former do it out of contentiousness, not with a pure motive, for they are intending to create trouble for me in my prison bonds. 18 With what result? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is being proclaimed, and I rejoice over this.
  
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  people magazine- prince as a JW

  by All for show in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dunno if anyone saw this yet.

  the comments are full of jw apologists.

  http://www.people.com/article/prince-jehovahs-witness-conversion-history.

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  leaving_quietly

  SDA background... makes a bit of sense now.

  "I don't really see it as a conversion," he told The New Yorker in 2008. "It's like Morpheus and Neo in The Matrix."

  Guess he took the wrong pill?