Having served on a number of judicial committees when I was an elder, I can tell you there usually is no forethought to this. A lot depends on the size of the room being used and whether a conference table exists or not. Our KH had a small elders' room, so placement of chairs was kind of haphazard. I wouldn't read much into it.
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The Judicial Committee is a Circle of Elders in a Room?
by Shanagirl inhas this ever happened to anyone who has been df'd here?
did you walk into a room with a circle of chairs for the whole body of elders?.
shana.
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What Do the Bible & JW.ORG Really Teach!
by The Searcher in1) the bible tells us there will be one flock under christ!
(john 10:16).
- "today, the vast majority of the eight million disciples of jesus are not spirit-anointed.
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leaving_quietly
@Searcher, I always enjoy what you post. Simple logic.
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Couple questions....like if JW's not the right way then what is?
by world innew member here so don't attack :d here is a couple questions i have been contemplating lately.. .
if jw isn't the right religion, then which one is?
or is it basically believe in god, the bible and you'll be fine?.
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leaving_quietly
Welcome!
You make very good points in your post. Shows you're starting to THINK for yourself instead of letting others think for you. That's good. I will answer from my personal perspective, which is not shared by everyone. But that's why I like this forum. It's diversity gives us perspectives from every angle.
JWs like to say they are the way and the truth. However, who is the way and the truth, according to the Bible?
John 14:6
This gives us a major hint at, not WHERE to go, but WHOM to go to.
John 6:67, 68
Whom should we be learning FROM?
Matt 11:29
And who did he say would come AFTER him to teach us?
Matt 16:13
Some here are not believers. I still am. I have learned, however, that relying on men to teach me is problematic. Why? Keep in mind that the Pharisees were the teachers of the law among God's people. How many times did Christ condemn them? And what did he say about their teaching and why?
Matt 16:5-12
John gave a powerful witness regarding this.
1 John 2:26, 27
Unfortunately, this religion were were all part of (I still am for the moment) has soured many of us to religion in general, and that is understandable. Each person has to do what they feel is right. At the very least, if you are still a believer, and you believe in the power of prayer, then ask for understanding. Ask to be led into all truth. And be ready for the wild ride it will take you on.
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Today's wt "study" obfuscations
by prologos inparagraph 9 : " jesus blood validates the new covenant -- makes posiible the forgiveness sins for all time#.-- [and]--.
god could apply the value of jesus' shed blood to adams descendants--*.
--he could** also adopt certain --humans "as sons"--".
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leaving_quietly
This article is FULL OF HOLES.
I'll just mention a couple:
Last sentence of par 5: "Consequently, God rejected that nation."
This BLATANTLY contradicts what is written at Romans 11:1: "I ask, then, God did not reject his people, did he? By no means! For I too am an Israelite, of the offspring of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin."
Par. 9 uses Romans 8:14-17 as it's main point. Verse 14 is key: "For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons." (Notice, it doesn't say, "all who are anointed by God's spirit". The Greek work for "led" is can also mean "guide". Do JWs believe they are "guided by" God's spirit? You bet they do.)
Par. 16 refers to Rev. 5:9, 10 and Rev 7:4 to support the 144,000 doctrine.
Rev 5:9 says: And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,"
Rev 7:4 says: And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel -
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More Money For JW.ORG
by The Searcher inmy apologies if this topic has previously been spotlighted.. the following is a portion of the the recent money-grabbing letter from jw.org.
it's on page 4 - one of the three pages which only the elders were allowed to read.. "surplus funds: is it necessary to save congregation funds for future construction or major renovation projects?
what should be done with excess congregation funds that are currently being held or that may accumulate in the future?
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leaving_quietly
I don't read it that way, Searcher. It sounds more like the direction is to review periodically, and each time, they should have a one-time resolution to donate the surplus funds found during the review. I'm reading it that they are NOT to have a perpetual donation of surplus funds, but only one-time for the surplus found during the review. Then, for the next review, that resolution does not apply, but they'd have to have another one.
That's how I'm reading it, at least. Regardless, it's still a money grab any way you look at it.
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"Christmas is all they have to live for"
by stillin inthis is on of my wife's many-times-repeated expressions about the hilidays, especially when she has an audience that includes non-believers.
i find it offensive even though i still don't celebrate christmas.
here's another one, "and it's all based on lies!".
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leaving_quietly
I hated that expression, even when I was an uber-JW. What's even worse is that the org has said over and over that JWs give gifts all throughout the year. I call BS on that. I can't remember the last time I got a gift from anyone in the organization. I'd say, maybe 15, 20 years ago?!?
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JW Broadband???
by Gladring inthe congregation my parents belong to (they live in ireland) has been having a massive refurbishment recently.
apparently the congregation wanted to spend about 20k euro, but the society pushed for spending 100k euro "so that they won't have to do it again in 10 years time".. .
anyway, my dad was talking about changing his broadband provider, and he mentioned that he was going to wait, because some brothers came to his house with an aerial and they can receive the kingdom hall's new broadband.
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leaving_quietly
Well, good for him. At least he's paying something. The KH will likely install a signal extender (just do a Google search for "extend wifi signal a mile") which may reach that far or farther.
I wouldn't impute any bad motives on the part of anyone at your father's KH. In their mind, they're probably thinking it's a kindness to extend him the lower-rate connectivity.
It is a local thing, though. This certainly isn't encouraged by the organization (at this particular time, anyway.)
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Be honest post do all posters on this site believe the bible is 100% or has flaws?
by booker-t inwe in the psychology/sociology field have a saying "when people protest too loud usually they are overcompensating".
i did not understand that when i first started studying psychology but now i understand it completely and it is so true.
when i hear someone constantly bashing something or someone such as gay bashing or ethnic bashing or religion bashing sometimes i wonder what are they hiding.
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Flawed. It's not that I don't believe the Bible, but there's way too many translation issues that obscure truth.
Just one example, at Jude 5, does it say "the Lord" saved out of Egypt, "Jehovah" saved out of Egypt or "Jesus" saved out of Egypt? Very interesting issue this one presents because some of the oldest manuscripts say Jesus. None say "Jehovah". Some say "the Lord". If it says "the Lord", which Lord is it referring to? Lord God? Or Lord Jesus? If it's really Jesus, then what are the implications? Very interesting...
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7 questions to make JWs think
by Coded Logic in) why do animals suffer and die?.
) if this is all about god's soverenty, why cause the flood?
how does it prove "man cannot direct their own step" if god immediately turns around and wipes men out for " eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage ?".
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Another one: If people God killed won't be resurrected because they already had divine judgement pronounced on them, will Moses be resurrected?
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JW Broadband???
by Gladring inthe congregation my parents belong to (they live in ireland) has been having a massive refurbishment recently.
apparently the congregation wanted to spend about 20k euro, but the society pushed for spending 100k euro "so that they won't have to do it again in 10 years time".. .
anyway, my dad was talking about changing his broadband provider, and he mentioned that he was going to wait, because some brothers came to his house with an aerial and they can receive the kingdom hall's new broadband.
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leaving_quietly
Overly paranoid... for now. What you wrote seems to be more of a personal cost savings measure. Although, I'm not sure how your father will get broadband from the KH a mile away unless they install some beefy signal extenders and there's decent line of sight. Signal extenders are relatively inexpensive. There is the question of ethics here, though. Should your father be leeching off the KH's broadband that other people are paying for (through their donations)?