Posts by panhandlegirl

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Is Jehovah (GOD ) an intelligent being ? Or an incompetent

by smiddy in

according to the bible he communicated quite freely with humans, via dreams ,angels ,prophets ,etc.etc., in ancient times ,even up to, two thousand years ago , then he fell silent.then whatever, he was supposed to have said, has been manipulated , ( mis ) interpretrated ,twisted ,whatever, by imperfect human beings ,supposedly speaking in his name .during this last 2000 years.we now live in a time of unprecedented information technology , isn`t this the time to speak to the people of all the earth ?

using such technology ?

their has never been a time on earth when their have been so many people living at the one time and the means to communicate with all of them in a 24 hour period .

panhandlegirl

So where is he ? Why is he not talking to all humanity ? giving all the opportunity for salvation ? Or is he really just a figment of mans imagination .

smiddy, this is one thing that has always bothered me. If he made himself known back then, why not now? If he performed wonders back then, why not now. If he destroyed the Tower of Babel because with one language there

was nothing that man could not accomplish, why did he not stop Russia and America's space program? As you stated, "isn't this the time to speak to the people of all the earth?" When the nations have the capacity to destroy

everyone on earth with nuclear weapons, you would think that HE would make himself known as HE did back at the begining man's existence? His silence makes one wonder if he isn't "just a figment of man's imagination"and all

those things attributed to him are not just myths.

PHG.

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Is There a Such Thing as Progressive Understanding?

by Recovery in

is there such a thing as progressive understanding of god's will?

a simple yes or no will suffice, but if you'd like to state why, please by all means do so..

panhandlegirl

I don't think so. The Bible has been around for about 2000 years. If we don't understand it by now, we never will. Some parts will never really be

understood, they will just be interpreted differently by different people.

PHG.

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Not Sure What I Believe In Anymore

by nuthouse escapee in

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inside my head is a tangled ball of wool when it comes to what i believe.

i have days where i believe in a creator and other days when i don't.

then there are times when i refer to this as believing in 'something' but what exactly this something is, i have no idea.

panhandlegirl

nuthouse escapee, I know how you feel. Until this year, I belived everything in the Bible was true, now I'm not so sure. If a person doesn't believe that

God created Adam, where does that leave a belief in Jesus as a Savior? I am reading a good book, "An Anatomy of Thought, The Orgin and Machinery of

the Mind." It explains about evolution and how things came about but I still think there was an intelligent source that began things. Like you, sometimes I

don't know what to believe. I am still a work in progress about what I believe. I quit working on my Masters so that I could devote myself to reading this

winter. I have read some philosophy but still I need to read more. I don't know if I will ever know for sure what is true or what I believe. Sometimes I think

I am afarid not to believe in God. I am still afarid of making him mad and getting zapped. In a way, that sounds silly. I do believe in science, I just have to

figure some things out. I do like reading other views on this board so I can think about what others believe and why they believe it.

PHG

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Flipper

by panhandlegirl in

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flipper you have a pm.. phg.

panhandlegirl

Flipper you have a pm.

PHG

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After Armageddon Diary (Many JWs just haven't "thought it through"!!)

by Anne Marie 1925 in

i guess were still in a state of shock.

it seems that there are a lot of us that feel that we had a lot more freedom before armageddon.

world society is not my idea of a paradise at all, and i really think i would rather be dead then to live like this.

panhandlegirl

Good story. Now I really don't want to live forever in Pardise. No tv, no Pandora, no internet. More rules, no American Constitution with Bill of Rights; freedom of speech, to bear arms, from cruel and unusual punishment, to have

an independent judiciary. More meetings! OH MY GOD! That is HELL. I can't stand being without electricity for a few hours when a storm knocks the power off.

PHG

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Pursuing higher education is comparable with having OCD - according to Gerrit Losch

by cedars in

after i posted my last "getting to know you" video where gerrit losch explains his "unique" views on armageddon, a couple of posters mentioned that other similarly controversial comments had been made by gerrit concerning higher education.. well, these comments were actually made in the same recording as the one i used in making the "armageddon" video, so i thought i should make the second video focussing on these.. here it is.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b7drwti-h4.

i realize many heavily indoctrinated publishers will try to defend these remarks by saying that, if it isn't in the society's publications, then gerrit losch's personal opinion is of no particular consequence.

however, the bible says that "out of the heart's abundance the mouth speaks", so by making these videos i hope i am at least showing people what is in the hearts of the men who lead us, and who claim to act as the mouthpiece of the slave class.. .

panhandlegirl

Some go to college to have a higher standered of living. WOW! They are dumb and may not survive it. They may have OCD. Well, I risked it and yes, it worked out just fine. I have a higher income than I would have otherwise

and those with a degree are less likely to be part of the unemployed during this ecomonic downturn. How does this man keep his high standard of living? Oh yes, the r/f support him and his cronies. What a sham. Who is he to be

telling people it is wrong to put your family first by getting an education. I believe the Bible states that a man who does not look after his own household is worse than an unbeliever. Surprise! it takes money to support a

household. Some of us have to work for a living/income. It doesn't come without effort. Education is the key.

PHG

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School for Congregation Elders

by C.O.B.E.Beef in

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i attended the school late last year, and it was an emotional and mental rollercoaster for me.

i was already divided in my heart to say the least.

one of the instructors stayed in my home for the week, and my family genuinely enjoyed his company.

panhandlegirl

“ How does it feel to be the only people on the planet who can never be wrong?”

WOW! It's no wonder jws are so ARROGANT. How can anyone possibly believe what they are teaching? And they talk about the arrogance of the Pope and Cardinals! Their attitude is indeed sickening.

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I need help finding something in the Watchtower PLEASE... I don't have the CD Library

by Greybeard in

i feel curtain that there was a watchtower article/articles that state christ blood only covers those of the anointed class, 144,000. they go on to say the "other sheep" are saved by association with the anointed/fds.

am i wrong here?

i thought for sure i read that a long time ago and it rang my bell then... please help me find this if you can or set me straight on it.. thank you!.

panhandlegirl

I thought for sure I read that a long time ago and it rang my bell then... Please help me find this if you can or set me straight on it.

I believe the article came out in the late 70s. I may be quoted in Ray Franz's COC. I can't remeber which year it came out exactly, but like Scott77 stated, Blondie or Atlantis will probably know where to find it.

That article is one reason I decided to leave the org.

PHG

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Welcome Back Band on the Run!

by Scott77 in

after weeks of break, please, welcome band on the run and wish her well.

for shamus100, more waiting is order.

i think, he is having a well deserved break.. .

panhandlegirl

BOTR, welcome back. I enjoy reading your posts.

PHG.

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Fantastic quote on jwfacts Sparlock article

by cedars in

i'm not sure how long it's been up, but jwfacts has written his own article discussing the sparlock debacle - and it's a great piece of work.. here is the link.... http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/sparlock.php.

in the article he uses a fantastic quote from a 1994 awake!

magazine which reads as follows.... .

panhandlegirl

As a life long witness, I always understood that not all jw rules were explictly written, many were implied and were expected to be followed. I raised two children in the "truth." They were never allowed to watch "Bewitched," "Casper, the friendly Ghost," or any other program on tv that even intimated anything supernatural. There was no cartoon watching for them because of violence or ghost or whatever the borg disapproved of. Hell, one time I said "Gosh" in front of some uber witness sisters while in a car group going out in service and was quickly reprimanded by one of them. So when I saw the "Sparlock" video I also thought that the borg is getting even more restrictive with what is allowed for children to play with (they play with your mind through implications of what is approved/disapproved). I had a recent conversation with a cousin who has remained in the periphery of jws all her life and has now decided to become a jw (she is now 69 yrs old). When she questioned me about some jw policy, I stated to her, "You have not lived as a jw all your life like I have. I have "walked the walk" not just "talked the talk," so you have no basis for questioning me about how the borg works and how your life is affected by their words and actions through the wt, the attitude of the elders, and the r/f, esp your jw family. imho, Cedars is not overstating the attitude of the borg.

Just my 2 cents as a life-long witness whose entire family (except 2 brothes and one cousin) are all still uber jws. This self same cousin just imformed me my nephew gave one of the talks at the DC this summer.