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  Today's WT study! So hypocritical!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so today's study is all about being kindly, and not judgemental to those in the congregation....we don't know their circumstances etc.... i can't believe the hypocrisy being spewed out...both in the article and by means of the answers from the audience!.

  we know the reality is so different!

  unless a witness does everything exactly as the gb directs...in every aspects of life, they are effectively no longer a good person, but are viewed as spiritually lacking or weak..... they are going directly beyond the biblical directives, and being ones who condemn, rather than ones who commend!.

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  Bobcat

  There are some interesting thoughts presented about the article here.
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  JW.Org And The Folks Who Vote With Their Feet

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is great enthusiasm in many congregations in regard to the wonderful new way to sit around wasting time in the "ministry".

  so much easier than trotting from door to door.

  however, some who set up the literature/jw.org carts have noticed a disturbing phenomena:.

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  Does anyone know the 'company policy' for these carts? Do the JWs that man them begin their time the moment they set them up? Or do they have to wait for the first contact?
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  Why don't Jehovah's Witnesses introduce themselves when knocking on doors?

  by Randomthoughts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  most random people who knock on the door politely introduce themselves when you open the door.. for example "hello, i'm derick from unicef and i'm looking for donations blah blah blah".

  now annoying as it may be for some at least he had the courtesy to introduce himself.. why don't jw's do this?

  is it because they are embarressed or perhaps they know you won't take their literature if they do?.

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  Bobcat

  The OPs question becomes even more interesting to me when you consider that the Society is always counseling children in school and those at work to be quick to identify themselves as JWs. Doing so is presented as a protection from various moral dangers. Yet, when it comes to FS, the opposite is practiced. All well-trained pioneers will remind you in service that we don't tell the householder that we are JWs. At least not initially.
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  what year was the blood liason commitee started and was it really put into place to help get ones to take blood, fractions and hemopure?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  was it really put up to help doctors and patients deal with the blood issue or to talk more jws in to taking fractions components and hemopure?.

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  Bobcat

  Crazyguy:

  I remember a situation in our hall (it was a few years back when I was an elder), an elderly sister went into the hospital because she was sick and her blood count was dropping. The HLC talked them into trying hemopure (I think that was what it was - it was made of bovine blood at the time) but the sister adamantly refused. As far as she was concerned it had blood in it so it was out of the question. My position with the sister (who I had been visiting at the hospital) was to support whatever decision she chose.

  I remember an HLC brother calling me an expressing exasperation with the sister for being unwilling to take the stuff. Eventually another elder talked her into taking it.

  The things that stood out for me at the time was the fact that the sister's conscientous stand meant nothing to these brothers. Supposedly these kind of things fall into a grey area that we are to decide individually based on our conscience. (That is the company line at least.) But the HLC and some of the other elders (probably taking the same view as the HLC) saw it as their job to change this sister's viewpoint.

  This was probably one of the early things that were starting my wake-up. (I see no problem with blood now, but at the time what stood out was the trampling on the sister's conscience.)

  I remember someone else on here saying that their CO took the position that you should be agreeable to the allowable fractions unless you could come up with a very good reason not to. (This may not be the exact thread but it has the idea I was expressing.)

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  Good News! Jah is speeding up the work!

  by awakenyr2004 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all he needed was the internet how many years later!

  the end is definitely around the corner now.

  with all the website hits just in the last few weeks how could it not be?

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  Bobcat

  There is probably some truth to the 3 million daily hits. Hundreds of thousands are engaged in the August campaign and many of them are showing the website several times a day to others, possibly several times during a single visit to someones doorstep.

  It would be interesting to see the number of non-witness hits. (Would a "hit" include anytime someone clicked on a link on the website, or does that only count the initial arrival to the site?)
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  Why did the WT writers switch the people in the GENERATION from the general population to ' The Anointed?

  by prologos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what is your theory on the reason that prompted that?

  the intend?

  the hoped-for outcome?.

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  Bobcat

  For lurkers interested in this question, I posted some analytical points about this subject here, here, and here.

  From the February 1927 WT until about 1951, the Society held to the idea that "this generation" was referring to the anointed. The difference was that they viewed all the 'anointed' (aka the 144,000) from 33 CE until the present time as "this generation." That idea was related to their perceived fulfillment of Revelation 7:1-3.

  As to why "the anointed," rather than the general population: Besides the fact that the inexorable passage of time is really screwing with their theology, it could be that "the anointed," as a group, are much harder to define than the general population. A census can do a good job of numbering the general population. But who can number "the anointed." The only "anointed" that the GB recognize are themselves. Any other claimants are just that, claimants, of whom 'time will tell.' The GB, IMO, may believe that they would be much harder to pin down on this subject by going with "the anointed."

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  Bible Highlights (from the book of Numbers) : Was Zipporah the Cushite wife of Moses in Numbers 12:1 ?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  was zipporah the cushite wife of moses in numbers 12:1 ?

  (click the link above to readf the full post).

  "now miriam and aaron began to speak against moses because of the cushite wife he had married, for he had taken a cushite wife.

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  Bobcat

  Is that Charlton Heston in a scene from "The Ten Commandments"? It kinda looks like him, but its been awhile since I've seen the movie. I wonder if Zipporah was Moses' "Cinnamon Girl "?

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  Is Armageddon part of the Great Tribulation? what was WT writers word?

  by prologos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  or put into other words:.

  is armageddon included in in "all the things" that are to come to pass during the 'generation' that jesus spoke about?.

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  Bobcat

  Here is the context of Revelation 16:13-21 NWT:

  Events as a result of the pouring out of the sixth bowl:

  13 And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

  14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.

  15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.”

  16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged′on.

  Events as a result of the pouring out of the seventh bowl:

  17 And the seventh one poured out his bowl upon the air. At this a loud voice issued out of the sanctuary from the throne, saying: “It has come to pass!”

  18 And lightnings and voices and thunders occurred, and a great earthquake occurred such as had not occurred since men came to be on the earth, so extensive an earthquake, so great.

  Events that occur during or as a result of the "great earthquake":

  • 19 And the great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and Babylon the Great was remembered in the sight of God, to give her the cup of the wine of the anger of his wrath.

  • 20 Also, every island fled, and mountains were not found.

  • 21 And a great hail with every stone about the weight of a talent descended out of heaven upon the men, and the men blasphemed God due to the plague of hail, because the plague of it was unusually great. 17 And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke . . .

  Just going by the immediate context, "Armageddon" is a symbolic place that is arrived at before the "great earthquake" begins. If there is a correspondence with Matthew 24, it would have to be with Matthew 24:15, that is, a situation that is arrived at just before the great earthquake begins. It would appear, based on Revelation 16:16, 17 to be THE event that triggers the pouring out of the seventh bowl, which results in the "great earthquake." See also my post here. You might also note a similarity of the pouring out of the seventh bowl with the blowing of the seventh trumpet in Revelation 11:15-18.

  Extending the point further, this would mean that all of the "great earthquake" takes place at Armageddon, since that is where "the kings of the earth" have been gathered to when the great earthquake breaks out.

  Bobcat
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  Old friend and new CO come calling.

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  an old friend brought the co by the house today.

  i answered the door before i knew who it was.

  it was low key and not a lot of pressure.

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  Here is a news report about their son's health problems. Also here.
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  Old friend and new CO come calling.

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  an old friend brought the co by the house today.

  i answered the door before i knew who it was.

  it was low key and not a lot of pressure.

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  Bobcat

  We had Jamie Rundquist in the late 90s, before he had the "circuit breaker." His wife was very early 20s at the time and he was late 30s. I understand that his child had some very difficult health problems.