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  Separation of the sheep and goats

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  separating of the sheep and the goats you can live forever in paradise on earth, 1982, p 183, states: since christ returned and sat down on his heavenly throne, all humankind has been on judgment... during the presentjudgment people are being separated as goats to christs left hand or as sheep to his right.. the wt of jan. 1, 1988, p 16, confirmed this: yes, all mankind is being scrutinized to see who are sheep and who are goats.... the messages are broadcast by human mouthpieces under angelic direction.

  a person is identified as a sheep or as a goat by the way he responds to the angelic messages.

  during this 20 th century, only jehovahs witnesses have cooperated with the angels in this vital work.. .

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  Good post V. Marked for perusal later.

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  Jan 15, 2015 - Why We Observe the Lord’s Evening Meal

  by berrygerry in

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  shouldn't this be titled:.

  why are we observing the lords evening meal again(wasn't 2014 supposed to be the very last memorial - we really mean it this time?)?.

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  The word "observe" is the clever part of the title. All the verses that discuss the Lord's Evening Meal say to 'eat and drink.' This is what "observing" the Lord's Evening Meal means. When the WT says "observe," they want you to be like an outside observer. Only they also want you to affirm that you are only an outside observer by actually handling the emblems and making the choice to not partake. It is a very clever lie backed up by some serious peer pressure via the talk and everyone else around you looking askance at the person who dares to do what Jesus plainly said to do.

  • (Matthew 26:26-28) . . .As they continued eating, Jesus took a loaf, and after saying a blessing, he broke it, and giving it to the disciples, he said: “Take, eat. This means my body.” 27 And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, 28 for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins. . .

  • (Mark 14:22-24) . . .And as they continued eating, he took a loaf, said a blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “Take it; this means my body.” 23 And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, and they all drank out of it. 24 And he said to them: “This means my ‘blood of the covenant. . .

  • (Luke 22:19, 20) . . .Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 20 Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf. . .

  • (1 Corinthians 11:23-25) . . .For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night on which he was going to be betrayed took a loaf, 24 and after giving thanks, he broke it and said: “This means my body, which is in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 25 He did the same with the cup also, after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood. Keep doing this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me. . .

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  The most important Bible scripture in history for JW's!

  by Crazyguy in

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  luke 12:41new international version (niv)41 peter asked, lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?.

  thats right this little scripture is the most important and telling scripture of all why?

  becasue this is the parable yes parable about the fathful and discreet slave and peter himself said it..below is the full passage.. .

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  Incidentally CrazyGuy, my post was in support of yours and intended to provide further reference for any lurkers/readers interested in understanding the incongruencies in the WT's "faithful slave" dogma. I think you have a pretty good grasp of the problems in the WT's self-serving explanation of that parable.

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  The most important Bible scripture in history for JW's!

  by Crazyguy in

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  luke 12:41new international version (niv)41 peter asked, lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?.

  thats right this little scripture is the most important and telling scripture of all why?

  becasue this is the parable yes parable about the fathful and discreet slave and peter himself said it..below is the full passage.. .

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  And notice how Jesus eventially answers Peter's question ( “are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?”):

  verse 48:

  • ". . . everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked"

  Judging by Jesus' response, Peter's "us" evidently meant the apostles; "everyone" being all the disciples. Jesus' saying in verse 48 applies the parable to every disciple who feels they've been "given much," as well as those "entrusted" with responsibiliy.

  From the WT's standpoint, it makes sense that they rarely quote this part of the passage. It demolishes their interpretation.

  See also here and here for further links & research on this parable

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  U.S ZONE VISIT PROGRAM

  by alexandre in

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  who have the program of this zone visit ?.

  please send to us!

  send a resume ,a synopsis!.

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  I have copious notes which I'll type in later. The two main points of counsel were about being punctual (directed to Bethels workers no less! And the program went 10 minutes overtime, curiously enough). The other main GB talk was directed towards families ("Are you a spiritual family?" was the title). A spiritual family reads the days text, eats together, obeys the GB, dresses appropriately, eats together . . . that's all I remember for now).

  No faith-testing announcement, unless you count the family talk as such. Anthony Morris gave it and mentioned it would step on some peoples toes several times.

  Bobcat (more later -I'm late for dinner :) )
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  Announcement that will "test your faith"

  by tezrichmond in

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  i saw this exact headline on jw-archive.org and couldn't find no other info about it.

  anyone know anything?.

  possible hoax ha ha.. .

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  If the wording of the statement is true - that it's going to test people's faith . . .

  Indeed, if this 'faith-testing' is true and from the WT itself, it indicates a huge arrogance on their part. I did a search in the WT-Library of "stumbl*." There is a massive amount of NT counsel not to intentionally test others faith: Mt 13:41; 16:23; 17:27; 18:6, 7; Rom 14:13, 21; 16:17; 1Co 8:9, 13; 10:32; 2Co 6:3; 11:29; Php 1:10; 1J 2:10; Rev 2:14.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses: A Case Study in Viral Marketing

  by Wolfy in

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  this is an interesting article studying the growth/decline patterns of jw's.

  i thought i would pass on the link as it is an interesting read.. .

  http://priceonomics.com/jehovahs-witnesses-a-case-study-in-viral-marketing/.

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  Bobcat

  Very interesting read. Thank you.
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  Circuit assembly symposium: help those who have become inactive

  by rosyray in

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  i just discovered that the circuit assembly my family is attending tomorrow contains a symposium entitled:.

  help others to seek jehovah's righteousness: those who have become inactive.

  i poked around a bit on here and didn't find any comments about this.

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  cultBgone:

  My wife is still dead-set convinced that it was certain actual people who "stumbled " me when actually, I just opened my eyes.

  I noticed this too. They have already been told by the Society why you are "inactive" (or whatever label is attatched). It doesn't matter what you say, unless you push the 'apostate' button. Then, suddenly, you become a far more dangerous person, unworthy of being 'helped.'
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  When did the last days start ?

  by raymond frantz in

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  somewhere hidden well within the jw.org exists an article about the last days of the last days of the jewish system of things .when did the last days of the jewish system of things start was it at the pentecost or before that ?

  is that important when we compare jesus' days our days as a way to find what will initiate them ?

  i wrote a small post in relation to this any extra valid information towards this will be much appreciated.

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  RF:

  These posts here and here have scriptures listed from the NT that show that NT writers viewed the "last days" ("time"/"times"/"hour") as commencing with Jesus' first advent. Hebrews 1:1, 2 is a good example (although the NWT distorts the rendering to hide this).

  Hebrews 9:26 speaks of Jesus "manifest[ing] himself once for all time at the conclusion of the systems of things" (note plural "systems of things" or "ages"). From this verse it would appear that, from the NT point of view, all previous eras conclude with the "last days" which start with Jesus' first advent, and culminate when he returns. Acts 17:30, 31 seems to confirm that view (see this thread).

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  An Elder said: 'They're in prison for a reason'

  by NAVYTOWN in

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  2. friends

  several years ago, i was studying the bible (jw literature) with an ms from the local congregation.

  i happened to mention that i had several pen pals who were incarcerated in various prisons.

  no matter what crimes they committed, i said i saw them as fellow human being who deserved to have a friend to write to.

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  Terry:

  Thanks for that reply. That was a fascinating answer, seeing how it was forged from experience. (I had to read it a couple times - I'll probably read it again.)

  It is amazing, given the collective experience available at the time among JWs, that no one bothered to try to prep you for your experience. I'm a little surprised that the WT hadn't come up with a booklet or material to help prepare the brothers for that possibility (aka like the child custody material they have prepared).

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