Moxy
Thanks for the link.
Very interesting, I have never read that before.
Radar
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39jan H and Daniel
by uncle_onion injan. you said on a recent post that the book of daniel is meant to be dated a lot later then thought.
have you any info on this please?.
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How long out? Why still here?
by hillary_step insome posters to this board, who perhaps are bored posters, have been out of the wts for a long while, some for decades.
i think i understand why you still feel the need to meet here but just wished to hear from you personally.. how long have you been out?
why do you still feel the need to discuss and involve yourselves with jw issues?
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HS
Billygoat raised this question earlier.I know there are many posters to this board who have been posting on JW topics for many years.
Many have benefited from reading their posts, including myself.
Those years have obviously left an indellable mark on our consciousness.
I believe the psychological bond we had, when we were with the (Borg)
now seeks a home with those of us, who find themselves outside the Borg Org.
In other words, that cultlike interdependency is still with us.
Scarry aint it?Radar
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How Long???
by Xena ini have been drifting for about 1 1/2 years now and was hoping that in a year or two i would have distanced myself enough from the org.
that i can actually start living my life exactly the way i want to...aka celebrating the holidays by putting lights on the house, not having to tell my daughter not to say anything about going trick or treating, getting birthday presents or going to cheerleader camp.
but i read some posts in the disfellowhiping thread started by somebody where people have been inactive for 3 years and are still disfellowhiped!
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Hilary step
Like I said, only each individual can decide on this subject.
You said........."The fact is yes, it does make things better"
I can only assume that your speaking from your own experience.Many thought "it made things better" when they became JWs, didn't they?
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One of the things that seems to keep people coming to this board even after having left the WTS decades ago is the problem with non-communicative families due to shunning
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As a matter of interest, how long ago did you cut ties with the watchtower?Radar
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How Long???
by Xena ini have been drifting for about 1 1/2 years now and was hoping that in a year or two i would have distanced myself enough from the org.
that i can actually start living my life exactly the way i want to...aka celebrating the holidays by putting lights on the house, not having to tell my daughter not to say anything about going trick or treating, getting birthday presents or going to cheerleader camp.
but i read some posts in the disfellowhiping thread started by somebody where people have been inactive for 3 years and are still disfellowhiped!
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Xena
When I became a JW, I did so at the loss of familly friendship.
A gulf arose between us over things like christmas, birthdays etc add to that the enormous time you devote to that faith and it leaves little time for real family contact.
I like many others made this sacrifice because we thought it was God's will.
It came down to standing up for what you believe.
I see and understand why many on this board prefer to remain annonimous.It is because many like yourself do not want to be shunned or be the cause familly hardships.Does your not rocking the boat, so to speak, make things better in the long run?
A rule of thumb regarding Discipline from the watchtower elders: weakness versus wickedness. If you have doubts about the bible or miss meetings, then generally you will be regarded as "weak". If you express doubts about the watchtower and attend meetings then you are likely to be considered "wicked".
If you want to remain in good standing with relatives then do not go anywhere near meetings and never speak ill about the watchtower. You might get the odd visit from the local elders, but if you keep in mind what I have said then you will prosper good health to you!!Only you can decide or judge, but I suspect that you are having a crises of conscience here.
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Bible study
by radar indo you remember the times when you felt so good because you had done your bible study for the week.
that you not only had pleased god but you were obediant to the faithfull and discreet slave class.. that you thought that you belonged to a wonderfull organisation and you would do anything to show your loyalty, even if it meant death?.
well these poor women are under the very same cult mentality.
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Fred
Who are the Apostates?
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How Long???
by Xena ini have been drifting for about 1 1/2 years now and was hoping that in a year or two i would have distanced myself enough from the org.
that i can actually start living my life exactly the way i want to...aka celebrating the holidays by putting lights on the house, not having to tell my daughter not to say anything about going trick or treating, getting birthday presents or going to cheerleader camp.
but i read some posts in the disfellowhiping thread started by somebody where people have been inactive for 3 years and are still disfellowhiped!
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Lizard snott
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I simply chose not to recognize their authority over me anymore.
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They are only what people make em!Radar
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jan H and Daniel
by uncle_onion injan. you said on a recent post that the book of daniel is meant to be dated a lot later then thought.
have you any info on this please?.
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Hi UO
The fact that the writer of Ezekiel, speaks of Daniel as if he is known by all the nation of Israel, in the same league as Noah and Job.
Yet Daniel at that time was still very young and not attained to that level of fame, and there must have been many daniels that had lived and showed Faith.
They would also have had no writings about this daniel only perhaps a few reports.
Ezekiel, acccording to chronologists, was written long before all the events of daniel's famous acts of faith took place.
I remember preparing for a talk in the ministry school, my bible reading covered this portion of the bible.I remember being puzzled over it, and I wrote my first letter to the Watchtower on the subject. The reply was simply that daniel must have attained to some fame at that time and they advised me to get help from the elders, which was funny, because I was one at the time.Of course they had no real answers.
I know you are trying to find some evidence that the book of Daniel was written long after the prophecies written in it took place.What I am illustrating, is the fact that the so called chronology of the bible writers is all mixed up, and you cannot be sure of anything when it comes to things like this.
At the end of the day, those that accept these prophecies, do it in faith. I believe it is faith in man, but thats just my oponion.I am not sure if the dating of the book of Ezekiel is in dispute or not.
Radar
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jan H and Daniel
by uncle_onion injan. you said on a recent post that the book of daniel is meant to be dated a lot later then thought.
have you any info on this please?.
uo
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UO
Ezekiel 14:14 And if these three men proved to be in the midst of it, Noah,DANIEL and Job, they themselves because of their rightiousness would deliver there souls, is the utterance of sovereign lord Jehovah.
If you compare the Time when Ezekiel and Daniel were supposed to have been written, then you get a discrepency here.
Question: Could Daniel have achieved such fame and his fame been recorded, to be up there with the likes of Noah, and job, at that time of writing?
Daniel was but a boy at this time, at the most 20yrs old.To be recorded in the book of Ezekiel and Daniel to be presented to that nation as a spiritual giant, so to speak is streaching credibility a bit far.Radar
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Bible study
by radar indo you remember the times when you felt so good because you had done your bible study for the week.
that you not only had pleased god but you were obediant to the faithfull and discreet slave class.. that you thought that you belonged to a wonderfull organisation and you would do anything to show your loyalty, even if it meant death?.
well these poor women are under the very same cult mentality.
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Do you remember the times when you felt so good because you had done your bible study for the week. That you not only had pleased God but you were obediant to the Faithfull and Discreet slave class.
That you thought that you belonged to a wonderfull organisation and you would do anything to show your loyalty, even if it meant death?
Well these poor women are under the very same cult mentality. They would willingly die in (Jihad)and they think their dress code is good and proper.They also believe their leaders could not be responsible for taking life in terrorist attacks.RELIGION IS A SNARE AND A RACKET
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Years in v. Years Out
by Billygoat ini'd like to find out how many years collectively we have acquired in the wts.
please list how many years you were/have been a jw.
please also list how many years you have been out.
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In 18yrs, out 2yrs.
It is interesting Billygoat, that you have been out 11yrs and still involved in discussions like this.I know there are many posters to this board who have been posting on JW topics for many years.
Many have benefited from reading their posts, including myself.
Those years have obviously left an indellable mark on our consciousness.
I believe the psychological bond we had, when we were with the (Borg)
now seeks a home with those of us, who find themselves outside the Borg Org.
In other words, that cultlike interdependency is still with us.
Scarry aint it?Radar
