Hey Chezza..it dont matter wether you get it or not..Your not allowed to have an opinion on this...your not allowed to question anything...your not even allowed to Think you just might be allowed to question anything.. ....just sit down..shut the f#@#! up and do as your told!!!!!!!!
lol....
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25REINSTATED AND STILL SHUNNED!
by new boy ini was at a wedding last summer were i met an old friend.
he had been reinstated for 6 months, he was dfed for 4 years.. he had been an elder for 10 years before that, he had commited adultery with another "brothers" wife.
i asked him how it was going.
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REINSTATED AND STILL SHUNNED!
by new boy ini was at a wedding last summer were i met an old friend.
he had been reinstated for 6 months, he was dfed for 4 years.. he had been an elder for 10 years before that, he had commited adultery with another "brothers" wife.
i asked him how it was going.
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Darn..i did it again..i keep posting twice by hitting that button again..sorrrrrrrrryyyyy!!!!!
Marilyn, i feel you are stil very naive here..it kinda saddens me that you dont realize how different this cult is from the real world..how cold they are compared to the real world..how cruel they are from the real world.
I wanted to also respond to your description of how JW's shun...it is not the way you put it.."we tend to go quiet on people we dont approve of"..it isnt like.."we dont encourage them the full warmth of our personality"...or .."less nice to people we dont like"....
Yes, Marilyn..LETS be honest...that was a total understatement..in the real world...YES.we certainly are the way you described it..but you didnt describe the way a Jehovah Witness would react if they saw a disfellowshipped person!!!!!...
Here is the reality..............
You are Completely ignored by family and Friends who are Jehovah Witness once your disfellowshipped. A matter of fact if you are dying they wont even go to your funeral...if your children are in the hospital after an almost fatal crash..they wont even call to see if THEY are allright for fear of talking to you..If i walk down the street and i was disfellowshipped yesterday or last year and my blood sister..daughter of the same mother as i, walks by me who is also a JW and i say Hello and give her a hug ..she is to walk away..NOT even say hello..NOT return the hug...pretend i dont exist.....and if anyone else in the congregation see's her talking to me...SHE will be in BIG trouble...or even disfellowshipped...
THAT is being honest...Marilyn....
and THAT is not the Real World!..and whoever in the Real World chooses to act that way is a very cold hearted person without compassion.Just thought i would set the record straight for any newcomers on here who actually have NEVER been in the Jehovah Witnesses and were to read your view on Shunning...this is my view..this is my personal experience...thanx again..i know my writing is filled with emotions that may come across unpleasant...hey, i am a hot blooded italian..i would be talking with my hands here but nobody could see that...
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REINSTATED AND STILL SHUNNED!
by new boy ini was at a wedding last summer were i met an old friend.
he had been reinstated for 6 months, he was dfed for 4 years.. he had been an elder for 10 years before that, he had commited adultery with another "brothers" wife.
i asked him how it was going.
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Marilyn..i cant say that i agree with you on that. In the real world..all your friends dont suddenly turn their back on you and they dont look the other way rather than say hello when they meet you in the shopping mall .. just because you have commited adultery or smoked a cigarette..or celebrated Christmas when they are Jewish and celebrate Hannukah.....In the real world all your friends are not forced to know that you have commited a sin and to look the other way when they see you....That should be between YOU and God..
..why should i confess to an elder?? and why should He haveto tell all the congregations to not speak to me until i repent..? Who the hell is this man that has put himself in the place of Jesus??? Jesus wasnt even that judgemental!!!!!!isnt that the same as catholicism confessing to a priest...they are both MEN ..not God.....
In the real world there is Freedom to choose...Freedom to speak...And yes..it is judgemental..but you are allowed to have a different opinion and life from your friends in the real world without fearing being shunned by them..are we not all sinners? Hellooooooo?We aren't talking about Rapist or Murder or Child Molester here...those yes, i would run from...then again..i would not choose such a friend to begin with..however..when i choose my friends i do understand as any NORMAL human being that hasn't been brainwashed would understand..that Jesus has died for our sins...and we are all sinners....
If i dont like sluts..i wont hang out with them...if i dont like drug addicts..i stay away from them..but if a friend of mine happens to commit adultery..or another happens to get tangled in the world of drugs..i would try to help or at least be courteous enough to say hello when i see them..I would not stand there and take the place of God and lay down laws that nobody should speak to them and if they do i will not talk to that person either..think about it..how stupid that sounds....i may or may not give a chance but i certainly aint about to take God's place and lay down laws for humanity...i would show them a better life where Jesus wants us to repent.you get my drift..this is my opinion..thanks for letting me share with you....
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REINSTATED AND STILL SHUNNED!
by new boy ini was at a wedding last summer were i met an old friend.
he had been reinstated for 6 months, he was dfed for 4 years.. he had been an elder for 10 years before that, he had commited adultery with another "brothers" wife.
i asked him how it was going.
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Marilyn..i cant say that i agree with you on that. In the real world..all your friends dont suddenly turn their back on you and they dont look the other way rather than say hello when they meet you in the shopping mall .. just because you have commited adultery or smoked a cigarette..or celebrated Christmas when they are Jewish and celebrate Hannukah.....In the real world all your friends are not forced to know that you have commited a sin and to look the other way when they see you....That should be between YOU and God..
..why should i confess to an elder?? and why should He haveto tell all the congregations to not speak to me until i repent..? Who the hell is this man that has put himself in the place of Jesus??? Jesus wasnt even that judgemental!!!!!!isnt that the same as catholicism confessing to a priest...they are both MEN ..not God.....
In the real world there is Freedom to choose...Freedom to speak...And yes..it is judgemental..but you are allowed to have a different opinion and life from your friends in the real world without fearing being shunned by them..are we not all sinners? Hellooooooo?We aren't talking about Rapist or Murder or Child Molester here...those yes, i would run from...then again..i would not choose such a friend to begin with..however..when i choose my friends i do understand as any NORMAL human being that hasn't been brainwashed would understand..that Jesus has died for our sins...and we are all sinners....
If i dont like sluts..i wont hang out with them...if i dont like drug addicts..i stay away from them..but if a friend of mine happens to commit adultery..or another happens to get tangled in the world of drugs..i would try to help or at least be courteous enough to say hello when i see them..I would not stand there and take the place of God and lay down laws that nobody should speak to them and if they do i will not talk to that person either..think about it..how stupid that sounds....i may or may not give a chance but i certainly aint about to take God's place and lay down laws for humanity...i would show them a better life where Jesus wants us to repent.you get my drift..this is my opinion..thanks for letting me share with you....
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where were you when the world ended?
by animal inbeing raised by a single mom was bad enuff for me, a hard headed boy.
add to that a mom that was in and out of the jw's all my life and you can see where the potential for disaster for me came from.. none of you know me, i just found this site while doing research on the death of someone in california (ex-jw).
i like what i see, for the most part.. i was raised from a young age with the threat of death in 1974-75 if i wasnt a good witness.
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Hey Animal...Cheers to you for having been through all that crap and for still being sane to get on with life today. I know exactly what your talking about....there was a moment in my life when i also said..:"hey, the world is still here..what the hell is this about?"...and then i thought about all the stuff i didnt do cause i figured it was pointless if the end was coming.
Do you get obsessively frightened of death sometimes?..just wondering..i have been going through that since i was a little girl in the JW's...it has gotten better now..but there was a point where i would think..everything is so pointless...i am gonna die anyways..why am i even doing this or that...??? and then i would get scared to die ..i couldnt think of the thought that i would no longer exist on earth...anyways..take care
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1975 End of World!!
by Rags indoes anyone have any personal experiences as to the effects that the 1975 end of the world announcement had on them??.
for starters..i was a 7 years old little girl in 1972 when they were starting to announce it...i remember my dad buying 5 foot long cheese (we are italian)...about 100 salami's...because they said we would first suffer with the starvation and all that and needed to be prepared for it.....also i remember every thunderstorm my mom would run to the window and yell..."maybe this is it..maybe this is the end of the world starting!!
"...and one day i literally got so scared that i locked myself in the cellar and shit my little pants.
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Yup larc..your right about those dates...i knew of them but the only one that affected me was the 1975 one.(unless i have been reincarnated a few times that i dont know about..).thats why i write only about that...and {{hugs}} to you also willpower..
Hey forgot to mention one more thing...i left at about age 14..but it took years to unwind and deprogram myself...through it all i still believed that i should not finish school..after all..the end was gonna come. My parents totally backed me up on that and encouraged that thought from the day i started school at age 5!!
I dropped out at age 15, my parents were called to the board of education because they were gonna charge me with what they called.."truency" (maybe i spelled it wrong)...my parents tried to argue with the school that it didnt matter if i had an education or not because God had something better in store for us all....etc etc..how embarrassing.
Anyways..to make a long story short..at age 29 i went to Ryerson University in Toronto and was accepted as an adult student and had to do an essay on the spot to get in..i passed...i did one year of diploma in arts..got A's and B's..not bad for a highschool drop out.
I got pregnant later so i didnt continue. So yeah..dedaisy..i understand..what your saying also...it affects every part of a child's life and adult life...and yeah..with me also..i mention this to some people and its like.."No, nobody ever said the world was gonna end in 1975"......well heck..then somebody please reimburse my thousands of dollars that i have spent on therapy to stop the obsessive thoughts i have had since childhood of death and dying and feeling totally out of control....i need my money back as well as my sanity!!!!!!!!!okay thats all i have to say..thanks all for letting me share this with you...
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Hello all, I am new here
by mbst ini have been reading all the stuff i see on this place for a while.
i am a jehovahs witness in good standing in my congregation.
i just need to come on in here and ask for a little advice from anyone who might know what i am feeling.
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Forgive my ignorance mbst..but why are you coming to a board full of ex JW's to ask this? If you are a practicing JW in good standing then you damn well know that we are worldly people..we belong to Satan...We celebrate evil pagan holidays and that has doomed us for life...we are terrible parents for we wish our kids death by accepting to give them blood should their life be in danger....i am an evil daughter for i disobeyed my mother and father who are still in the JW's...YOU believe that God has condemned me to death already through Armagheddon and that because i once was in and now am out i have NO chance to escape eternal death......so again i ask WHY would you even consider Asking US????......besides..a JW in good standing would not even consider going out with a worldly person...and if you are trying to convert her????..again i ask.......WHY are you coming to US for advice and not the elders.??? I dont ask this to shun you out of here..no way..i am new here also and please pull out a chair and make yourself at home..all are welcome...but you need to ask yourself....WHY if we are the furthest thing from the TRUTH would you come to us for advice...??
Wishing you peace of mind...and may God shine his light upon you so that you will truly one day feel what a good God ..the Lord really is.
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1975 End of World!!
by Rags indoes anyone have any personal experiences as to the effects that the 1975 end of the world announcement had on them??.
for starters..i was a 7 years old little girl in 1972 when they were starting to announce it...i remember my dad buying 5 foot long cheese (we are italian)...about 100 salami's...because they said we would first suffer with the starvation and all that and needed to be prepared for it.....also i remember every thunderstorm my mom would run to the window and yell..."maybe this is it..maybe this is the end of the world starting!!
"...and one day i literally got so scared that i locked myself in the cellar and shit my little pants.
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MavMan..what are you talking about your parents were not affected because they knew about the bible saying nobody knew the date or the hour..?? I know that..but regardless of that, it was something that affected every JW. What do you mean Satan's tactic? And whats this about Jehovah had a reason for it?? You sound totally brainwashed and in need to be de-programmed!! That 1975 blunder screwed up lives..homes...cities...financially..morally...emotionally...and all you have to say is...Jehovah had a reason for it??? Get real...by the way..i dont call my dad by his first name...Frank!!..so why are you calling our allmighty father JEHOVAH (which is not even the proper greek translation by the way!) and disrespecting him?
I think Lord or Father would show more respect for our beloved God..thank you!
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1975 End of World!!
by Rags indoes anyone have any personal experiences as to the effects that the 1975 end of the world announcement had on them??.
for starters..i was a 7 years old little girl in 1972 when they were starting to announce it...i remember my dad buying 5 foot long cheese (we are italian)...about 100 salami's...because they said we would first suffer with the starvation and all that and needed to be prepared for it.....also i remember every thunderstorm my mom would run to the window and yell..."maybe this is it..maybe this is the end of the world starting!!
"...and one day i literally got so scared that i locked myself in the cellar and shit my little pants.
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Oh forgot to add the outcome...when Armagheddon obviously never occured..they said that it was Satan Testing our Stregth and Faith...
You know..what pisses me off about the JW's..its not when the adults decide to go into this cult..its when the adults go into the cult and bring along innocent children and then traumatize and disrupt their whole lives. It is so damn sad...
I consider myself damn lucky to have come out as sane as i have..(or have i ??)...but i have had to work at it and also i think it is in my personality to not get influenced by other people...i left when i was 14 regardless of wether my parents liked it or not...a matter of fact i was so strong willed that i had my parents leave with me!!..but they felt so abandoned by their family and friends that they went back in...however..to this day..they still say that the JW's suck big time and are a bunch of hippocrits and that they are only in their for family and friends and because after all they are both in their 70's.....sad huh...? even sadder that they are also being hippocrits by staying..but what can i say..they are pretty cool considering they are still in and i have also showed my mom this sight and she totally loves it.
Peace guys..hang in there..it does get better!!
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1975 End of World!!
by Rags indoes anyone have any personal experiences as to the effects that the 1975 end of the world announcement had on them??.
for starters..i was a 7 years old little girl in 1972 when they were starting to announce it...i remember my dad buying 5 foot long cheese (we are italian)...about 100 salami's...because they said we would first suffer with the starvation and all that and needed to be prepared for it.....also i remember every thunderstorm my mom would run to the window and yell..."maybe this is it..maybe this is the end of the world starting!!
"...and one day i literally got so scared that i locked myself in the cellar and shit my little pants.
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Oh forgot to add the outcome...when Armagheddon obviously never occured..they said that it was Satan Testing our Stregth and Faith...
You know..what pisses me off about the JW's..its not when the adults decide to go into this cult..its when the adults go into the cult and bring along innocent children and then traumatize and disrupt their whole lives. It is so damn sad...
I consider myself damn lucky to have come out as sane as i have..(or have i ??)...but i have had to work at it and also i think it is in my personality to not get influenced by other people...i left when i was 14 regardless of wether my parents liked it or not...a matter of fact i was so strong willed that i had my parents leave with me!!..but they felt so abandoned by their family and friends that they went back in...however..to this day..they still say that the JW's suck big time and are a bunch of hippocrits and that they are only in their for family and friends and because after all they are both in their 70's.....sad huh...? even sadder that they are also being hippocrits by staying..but what can i say..they are pretty cool considering they are still in and i have also showed my mom this sight and she totally loves it.
Peace guys..hang in there..it does get better!!
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