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  Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

  by Londo111 in

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  this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

  feel free to poke holes.

  i have many doubts about this myself.

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  apostatethunder

  That's very dissapointing, you would expect that nowadays a corporation could survive without any external help whatsoever.

  There is also a more sinister aspect to all this crap, I remember lots of instances when a brother or sister would mention how an article in the Witchtower or a talk at a convention seemed written specially for them. Of course the implication would be that it was Jehovah's holy spirit not a controlling psychologist.

  How far could they potentially go in this enclosed and controlled environment if they set themselves to manipulate somebody for whatever purpose? Only madness knows.

  So basically here we have a multi-million corporation scamming people all around the world, and "not" using any external consultants at all and the US Government believes they are Disney.

  And if they actually do use external consultants, who are they? Who could they possibly be if you think about it really?

  Here is a bold interpretation of Apocalypsis: what if the misterious Babylon the Great, the Biggest Harlot of the Earth was not a religion but an intelligence agency? If that was the case when they finally fall not only the witnesses but the whole world will rejoice greatly.

  I am praying it will be very soon. Hallelujah!
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  Abrahamism vs Gnosticism in a Nutshell :)

  by ProdigalSon in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/sex-for-salvation-ii%282395055%29.htm.

  judaism claims that the way to god is through obeying endless rules allegedly imposed by god.

  the great philosopher immanuel kant claimed that judaism wasn't a religion at all, but a mere body of laws.

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  apostatethunder

  By their fruits you will know them.

  You do not get drones from an intelligent organization, do you?

  Or you do not get people that behave as if they were God from a good philosophy, do you?

  Countries are like people, for example in the US we have an elite of people that believe they are gods and that are filling the planet with drones, so it would be very helpful for everyone if they finally realized that THEY are the drones. We keep praying for their enlightment.
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  New Article: Jehovah's Witnesses and Chosen Ignorance

  by daringhart13 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  would love your feedback.

  thanks gang!.

  http://darrinhart.hubpages.com/hub/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-chosen-path-of-ignorance .

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  apostatethunder

  In a way, the WT seems like a big social experiment in cognitive dissonance and the US government is a necessary colaborator.

  The occasional whistleblower would play the part of the apostate and you are not supposed to listen to him or maybe you do, so that after a due confrontation the good ones can win once again (as it was in the time of Rutherford when Jesus came down to clean the sanctuary).

  Big business keep growing at your expense and literally everything is for sale, but you consider that freedom as you are not aware that you yourself have been sold or bought by anyone.

  Conveniently the bad ones are organized in independent cells that have nothing to do with each other as they were all trained in Afghanistan by evil Osama bin Laden who was himself trained by the CIA. That means they are impossible to predict or control so anything that happens it was them even if they look like your harmless neighbour. He was always too quiet now that you think about it.

  The war on terror will obviously never end so wave good-bye to your rights and say hello to your barcode.

  The media keeps repeating that you are living in the freest society in the world and that other countries hate you for that freedom, but after losing each and every single one of your rights you still don't make yourself uncomfortable questions like: now who will be our next enemies and why?

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4tSedUSiUc
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  why does the GB exclude the word "grace" from the new world translation?

  by freckles12 in

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  apostatethunder

  Grace is a marvellous gift that dignifies the receiver.

  Undeserved kindness is a kindness shown to the receiver that he does not deserve and that comes with a small note to remind him of that fact.
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  Say Goodbye To Israel

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/israels-ultra-orthodox-plan-huge-anti-draft-protest-073511447.html.

  suppose 10% of your nation were hardcore fanatics who can act as one - and they refuse to serve in the army or get jobs!.

  and they are the fastest growing group with a high birthrate....... some of the protest photos of them filling the streets are impressive.. .

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  apostatethunder

  You need to be shameless to speak about a palestinian problem. They seemed to be doing quite well before they were invaded and massacred by the jews when they decided they wanted to grab that piece of land. If the orthodox don't agree with the state of Israel what are they doing living there? Jews are doing really well in most countries of the world, the only ones being prosecuted nowadays are those who dare to speak up for the palestinians.

  The gypsies also have a right to exist, how about gathering them all together at your place? Would you have a problem with that?

  The creation of Israel wouldn't have been possible without the UK, the only european empire that despite being the most absolutist (the Queen is also the Pope) and medieval in its social structure, managed to avoid all the revolutions that destroyed its rivals last century. Talk about mysteries.

  There is no freedom if you are not able to call a spade a spade, and the creation of the State of Israel is a Genocide.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGBoGKPZlQE
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  JW's Never Closed the Door On A Russian King of the North

  by scotoma in

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  2. friends

  king of the north.

  union, the "king of the south" can be none other than the rival non-communist bloc, under the .

  so who is the king of the north now?

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  apostatethunder

  If we go by the WT interpretation of Daniel, the logical king of the north would now be al quaeda.

  But it is quite strange to identify the king of the south as anglo-america when historically and politically, England and America acted as foes of the real king of the south: Rome, which is still standing as the roots of our western Christian civilization.

  The so called anglo-american power is more fit as the king of the north, trying to pass as the king of the south since the famous french revolution that debilitated the whole continent costing over 6 million lives and that ironically catapulted Britain as the new world power.

  So at this point, we can safely conclude that the king of the south is the natural heir of R-O-M-E, and that the king of the north is Wall Street or the usur-per.

  It is clear is that the king of the south is the one linked with God's people and that means that the king of the north are their enemies, whoever they might be.
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  Research on legal implications of group shunning

  by BreathoftheIndianNose in

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  hey everyone!

  i haven't posted here in a while, over a year i think.

  just goes to show where i'm at in the recovery stage.

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  apostatethunder

  Why should the WT have the power to bully people into having or not having association with anybody?

  The WT acts as if they owned its members and that is a Human Rights violation.

  They wouldn't be where they are today without the help of America's government. In America the rights of Corporations are above the rights of citizens. That leaves the individual at the mercy of these organizations pretty much in the same way that people was at the mercy of the government in communist countries.

  The WT has 7 million drones in every country of the world for whatever purpose they want to use them.

  It is not a coincidence that America is the first exporter of sects to the world.

  The announcement so and so is no longer one of JW is figuratively a public execution and achieves the same thing: social control.
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  Has anyone found comfort/encouragement from "worldly songs"?

  by awakening in

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  2. friends

  i remember reading a thread when my exit was starting, about inspirational songs.

  someone posted a link to the "shins" for a fool.

  this was a surprising help to me.

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  Jesus he knows me from Genesis.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw
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  Virtue makes you beautiful: Mormon 1D parody

  by stuckinlimbo in

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  2. friends

  http://youtu.be/oartie7rkum.

  apart from being generally sad i can't understand why they chose a song that was already quite pure!.

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  apostatethunder

  Apart from being very good-looking, these guys have very beautiful voices.

  Definetely I joined the wrong cult.
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  Has a critical mass of exJWs been reached?

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it took the better part of 15 years but i believe we have finally arrived at that point where there is now a critical mass of former witnesses.. thousands of exjws come together on forums like this one and discuss findings, ideas and research.

  there have been documentaries and even a movie made about life in the jehovah's witnesses.. ex jw websites, online forums, and discussion boards that set the wheels in motion in the early to late 90s have matured into powerful tools of social change within the organization.. the lies and false doctines taught by the watchtower bible & tract society are plainly accessible with just a cursory google search.. active elders leak boe letters, often weeks before they hit the notice board in a kingdom hall.. social media has allowed exjws to connect with those still in as well as those who have left.. the society have no game plan because information is power and they have lost the information war.

  all they can do is cry wolf and warn the rank and file not to listen to apostates.. i don't know what future the society will face in the next ten years, but changing world events, social trends, and reactionary change from headquarters based on their own faulty biblical chronology has got them cornered like a raging animal.. it doesn't look good..

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  apostatethunder

  People that has been affected by this corporation, when freed tend to react very strongly against religion, puting them all in the same basket. In Catholic countries for example, many people don't practice their religion much or at all for whatever reason, but most would still defend the Church and respect believers despite all the propaganda against it. This is not the case with people that leaves cults, despite not being so much information in the media about them.

  This is something they probably count on, and they seem to encourage it. So, one can only wonder at the effect all the millions that have been negatively affected by the WT will end up having in our ever more secular society.

  Unfortunately this type of manipulation is not something exclusive of religious groups.