Posts by apostatethunder

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5 Reasons Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT happy in their Marriages jw.org

by Watchtower-Free in

found this on youtube.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wknttmfvhfi.

apostatethunder

Somebody replied this to her on her youtube account:

" Look, most persons who leave JWs simply move on in life, some with the viewpoint that the religion just wasn't for them, some with minor grumbling over this or that feature of the faith that prompted their decision, some with the viewpoint that they couldn't live up to it.

None of these are viewed as 'apostates.' To be sure, we don't think their decision is wise, but they're not "apostate." A fair number eventually return. You could liken those leaving to a man or woman leaving a relationship, like a failed marriage. Most just move on. But there's always a certain few psycho ex-mates that can't let go, who devote all their time and energy to harassing the person they once loved.

Sigh...apostate cry-babies and obsessive losers and fanatics, with their demented soap-box, commit the logical fallacy of "selective observation"...and see only what they want to see...to suit their neurotic agendas. And ignore other things, conveniently and dishonestly, if it doesn't fit their twisted pre-biases, or their demented paradigms..."

So, basically what this person is saying is that people that was scammed by this corporation should just move on with their lives, pretty much like somebody that ends a romantic relantionship.

If they don't, they are likened to (brace yourself) A STALKER, rather a psycho that can not let go of a former relationship.

And we thought THEY were the stalkers.

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Can You Sue an Organisation ?

by cassuk11 in

if it can be proved that someone has been brainwashed,conditioned mentally,pychologically,emotionally and spiritually can a person successfully sue an individual or organization.

after all it is a form of abuse.

apostatethunder

The first amendement is used as an excuse to violate the human rights of millions of people, but only if you are a religion, which is kind of telling.

Pornography has nothing to do with free speech, it is an attack on all women's rights as it affects how they are viewed and how they are treated, and it wouldn't be tolerated if it was used to denigrate any other collective like blacks, jews, etc.

America is NOT a free country and it is exporting its (lack of) culture to the rest of the world by different means, one of them under the guise of free speech, which they do not practice with things that are politically incorrect like examining the link between capitalism and communism, and the similarities between the so called cold war and the war on terror as an excuse to continue controlling society.

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JWs cheat the least??

by lambsbottom in

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friends

how do ya figure this!??.

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http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/survey-finds-evangelical-christians-are-most-likely-cheat-their-spouses.

apostatethunder

I don't believe this statistic. What I saw is that on average there were more cases of cheating in a KH of 150 than in a workplace with 500 people.

It may have something to do with being constantly bombarded with: do NOT commit fornication. It is like being reminded day in day out: do NOT think of a pink elephant. They say the brain does not understand a negative so it might have the opposite effect working as reverse pshychology. Just a theory.

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Can You Sue an Organisation ?

by cassuk11 in

if it can be proved that someone has been brainwashed,conditioned mentally,pychologically,emotionally and spiritually can a person successfully sue an individual or organization.

after all it is a form of abuse.

apostatethunder

Try to do to somebody what this corporation has done to you and see what happens.

They have a very strong backing otherwise they wouldn't get away with half the scamming, lying, manipulating, stalking, bullying, harassing and interfering in people's private lives.

Not to mention using brain washing techniques, coercion to get confessions about things that are none of their business, discrimination towards women, slandering the good name of former members that see them for what they are, imposing others to isolate people just because the organization says so under the threat of being the one isolated from the group, promoting simple-mindness and punishing any demonstration of intelligence, breaking relationships with their policies of nose-sticking, etc, etc...

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How Relevant Are Jehovah's Witnesses To You?

by minimus in

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in reality, they are pretty insignificant..

apostatethunder

They are the biggest american corporation with presence in most countries of the world.

To know exactly how relevant they are you would need to ask the US government.

So far they have remained silent.

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The Josephus Problem

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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someone made a comment today that josephus cannot be trusted as a historical source.

they are right or half right.

obviously josephus was a self-centered historian.

apostatethunder

It seems Josephus was probably jewish damage control in response to the message of the Gospels.

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Have you noticed the common practice is to knock indivual's self esteem?

by stuckinarut2 in

in another thread, one of our members made a comment that caught my attention.. i have been trying to put my finger on a practice amongst the org and witnesses in general.... as soon as someone does something well, accomplishes something, or excels at something, the atmosphere effectiveley 'kicks them in the gut' to bring them down.. anything that makes a person grow or develop is blatently discouraged and therefore self esteem is squashed!.

the constant message telling a witness to be 'humble' is designed to suck any sense of growth or 'betterment' out of a person..... therefore this leaves the average witness to be a blubbering mess of insecurity and instability completely dependant on the organization...kind of like a 'battered-wife' scenario.... .

apostatethunder

Another pernicious practice they have is stroking the ego of idiots.

If you are a sister you will have to deal with ugly, uninteresting guys with nothing to offer, that will treat you with a lot condescendence even when they see you running away from them. It's disturbing.

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How To Prove That The "Truth" Is Founded On Negativity And Hate

by metatron in

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friends

wanna prove to yourself that jws can't let go of negativity and hate?

that it is at the core of their faith?

ask the following question:.

apostatethunder

While most religions and philosophies preach to love your neighbour, Leviticus 27:1-12; 28-29 is quite self-explanatory about how Judaism views "the others". It is by no means the only such text, but the Talmud is even more explicit in case some jew does not understand the point.

The WT philosophy is founded on the basis that they are the "chosen" ones now, the new jews so to speak and the rest of the world is in the hands of Satan the devil so they will unfortunately have to die at Armageddon. Shame they didn't listen when we came to their door with that Awake magazine. It was their choice really.

The Bible and specifically the Old Testament is a manual of supremacy for the "chosen" ones. It is all there in plain sight hence all the efforts to interpret it and confuse things before people can see the obvious. Kind of a Babel Tower effect.

Islam just seems like a re-inerpretation of Christianity but also and most importantly, a powerful rival. For some reason Christianity has encountered a lot of opposition from the begining, and has produced more martyrs than any other faith throughout history. But unexplicably it refuses to name her historical enemy which is presenting itself as the victim, something quite ashtonishing.

Babylon, Egypt, Persia...all gone with the wind, but thankfully a lot of their myths have been passed on to us through the Bible in an adapted version.

"The world should know this fact, that we will remain together." Ahmadinejad. Who could have imagined it? Spain 711 AD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_XAeqtY7Sk

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Embarrassed by Aggressive Apostates

by ShempLives in

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xjw protests & videos.

.. i am disturbed by some of the more aggressive apostates posting videos on youtube,like "a jw memorial to remember" where a drunk man goes to a memorial and downs the whole glass of wine as a sort of protest.

this video and others like it received positive comments from aawa members.

apostatethunder

My theory is that they get nervous when somebody leaves and appears well-balanced, specially if there was no scandalous fornication case involved in their leaving Noah's Ark.

They may be only drones, but as a group they are trained to drive ex-jws to madness. For example: group stalking, impertinent questions, while a number of them start ignoring you can be a very volatile cocktail, specially after you discover TTATT.

Also some of the apostate sites don't look genuine, they look designed to find out exactly what was that opened your eyes or to dissapoint you, specially if you are on the first stages of waking up.

Who knows what they come up with in order to explain the cases of successful apostates who start doing great in life after leaving the spiritual hell. It would be interesting to hear. Who could be a microphone on the wall sometimes!

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Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

by Londo111 in

this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

feel free to poke holes.

i have many doubts about this myself.

apostatethunder

That's very dissapointing, you would expect that nowadays a corporation could survive without any external help whatsoever.

There is also a more sinister aspect to all this crap, I remember lots of instances when a brother or sister would mention how an article in the Witchtower or a talk at a convention seemed written specially for them. Of course the implication would be that it was Jehovah's holy spirit not a controlling psychologist.

How far could they potentially go in this enclosed and controlled environment if they set themselves to manipulate somebody for whatever purpose? Only madness knows.

So basically here we have a multi-million corporation scamming people all around the world, and "not" using any external consultants at all and the US Government believes they are Disney.

And if they actually do use external consultants, who are they? Who could they possibly be if you think about it really?

Here is a bold interpretation of Apocalypsis: what if the misterious Babylon the Great, the Biggest Harlot of the Earth was not a religion but an intelligence agency? If that was the case when they finally fall not only the witnesses but the whole world will rejoice greatly.

I am praying it will be very soon. Hallelujah!