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  natural phenomena page

  by raven101 in

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  I did something really stupid.... :(

  by Eppie in

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  hey,.

  ok, i need all the advice i can get...... last week i told my sister (she is jw, as is my entire family) that i did something stupid.

  i had just broken up with my boyfriend because he was cheating on me.... and in some kind of drunk-revenge-mood i slept with his best friend..... .

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  Do you have a problem with lying?

  I'm pretty good at this . . . I save my lies for absoulute necessity and make sure they are irrefutable and that they stick.

  So you didn't actually SAY you slept with him?

  If I were you I would just talk to my sister again, like real casual (bring it up as a side note, so it's not obvious),

  "Well, at least we didn't go ALL THE WAY!" if she says she thought you did "God no! I'm not that stupid!" (look at her like your shocked she's such an idiot) "Did you think that?" "I wondered why you were looking at me like that!"

  You get the gist, whatever works, but stick to it. Then she has nothing to say, no guilt at witholding a 'dirty secret'.

  Your off the hook, she has nothing to report, everybody's happy.

  And next time you speak into someones ear, pretend theres a megaphone projecting out there other ear in the direction of the person(s) you would most dread them repeating your confidence to.

  good luck,

  Raven101
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  AM I NORMAL?

  by bay64me in

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  i have been meeting-free for a year now, (although i did attend the last memorial mainly out of curiosity).

  i have learned enough now, since leaving "the truth" to know that i'm never going back.

  but i was wondering how long it takes to get all of the shit out of your head?

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  What has helped me more than anything probably has been spending time researching MANY religions and belief systems (not heavy duty y'know, just getting the gist of them), it helps to see the similarities and dissimilarities, and to see how they are all reflections of the time period and culture they arose in.

  This helped me begin to really rid myself of that infuriating, bible-thumping, doom-saying little voice in my head. Indoctrination can be a terrible thing but it CAN be dealt with . . . even disposed of.

  The point is that the WT is not the only reference point I have anymore.

  Of course your normal, you were taught to see and consider EVERYTHING in relation to JW theocracy. Its just habit man, and understandable anger at feeling a victim to programming, understandable sadness at a loss of security, however false it was.

  If you can learn to use your own mind and heart and not rely upon or swallow ANYBODYS teaching, your ahead of at least 90% of the world, so it will have been worth it. At least it was for me.

  Raven101
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  Catholic Priests are allowed to molest one child

  by StinkyPantz in

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  but if they molest two they are forced to resign.

  did anyone else read this crap?

  for every one child he gets caught molesting, there's probably another fifteen more that never get reported.

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  Godalmighty! Who is the poor kid?

  (sorry,it was just irresistible)

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  Voice your opinion- Organised religion.

  by jerome in

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  my main problem with organised religion is when totalitarianism comes into play.

  thats when you get institutions like the catholic church in its earlier years.

  that should never be allowed.. jerome

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  I don't believe in it, an organized religion is to me a falsehood arisen out of a truth.

  They are almost always the result of one persons profound experience with 'the eternity, 'Love', 'Truth', 'god' orwhatever you want to call it which is the truth I previously spoke of.

  Then however the problems come in when they or someone else as a result of this experience think it is necessary or that they are granted the RIGHT to interpret it in relation to life. They start making up rules and blah blah blah, always a product of the culture they were raised in and their own personal biases and weaknesses.

  I wouldn't discredit any of the experiences but people who are indoctrinated into a mindset WILL interpret their experience in relation to that.

  Check out some of these experiences for a very small example of the diversity, and when you read them just keep one thing in mind, look for commonalities.

  http://www.bodysoulandspirit.net/myexp.htm

  I have been studying the different religions and belief systems for years now. I have studied and researched a lot and the only consistent commonalities throughout EVERYTHING I have studied from witch-stuff, pagan, hinduism, buddhism, christianity, blah blah blah, the only consistencies are LOVE and THE GOLDEN RULE (which is obviously a product of love.

  You run into trouble when you start trying to attach a meaning beyond that, and really what more do we need?

  One interesting note of similarity you cight notice in the stories on that webpage and most profound experiences is the fact that time seems to be revealed as static, or an illusion. This has very interesting implications if you relate it to findings in physics.

  Personally it's just fun and interesting for me. I'll keep searching while I'm here but the Love thing is all there is . . . everything else is just detail.

  Contentenough,
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  Another baby? How do I decide...

  by dobby in

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  i want another child, it's just that simple.

  i have one and we are past the rocky early years and now i am thinking of another one.. however, my heart and my mind are in conflict.

  how do you decide whether or not it's in the best interest of your family to add another member?.

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  How old is your first child Dobby?

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  Vacation - Where is everyone going?

  by DevonMcBride in

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  what is everyone's vacation plans?

  in aug we are going to disneyworld and in november we will be going back to east africa for another safari.. .

  last year we went to ngorongoro crater and lake manyara in tanzania and the masai mara region in kenya.

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  We will be spending weekends at Mt. Shasta and around Bodega Bay. Also trips to localish areas we have yet to see like the Modoc Plateau, John Muir Wilderness, Yosemite etc.

  Can't wait!

  Raven101
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  Please help, please???? (batting eyelashes)

  by outnfree in

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  i was so happy to read the following quote by janh in another thread: about logic vs reason[ did jan mean emotion here?

  ], i think a factor may well be that fewer women have high education.

  it is a worrying trend that women still do not choose education in 'hard sciences.

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  Hey QJumper! I just have to jump in here and express my difference of opinion on the points you brought up, I have a pretty decided opinion about this subject, and the arguments you presented lured me irresistably. It'll be great for Outnfree with her paper too (I know where I'm coming for ideas next semester!)

  As far as continuing to disallow euthenasia because of risk of abuse-
  practically everything is a potentially disastrous tool for mayhem and murder if misused, cars may=reckless drivers, roadrage,carjackings,ddrunkdrivers. WE don't limit life (and shouldn't the right to choice of deathe) just because someone may misuse or abuse it.

  There are already crazy nurses and doctors who are caught (after many patients die mysteriously) these #'s would not increase significantly were euthanasia to be legalized. Opportunity isn't the lure here, they already have ample opportunity to kill patients if they are crazy enough to want to. As far as doctors being legally responsible for making the call-I don't see why on earth they would make any calls in that regard. People would do it for themselves.

  Evil family members? As far as evil family members go, basically the same argument holds true, and if a persons family is that evil, hey there are probly worse things they could do to them than kill them!(I'm not entirely joking here either)

  AS far as the trustworthyness of the legal system goes . . . yeah it can really suck, people get screwed and killed every day because of flaws, loopholes, assholes etc., but all in all its about as good as it's probly gonna get, its all we have, and for the most part it serves us pretty well.

  SUICIDE

  Now here I leave the realm of reasoning through logic, and am absolutely inspired to reason through emotion!!!!

  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SUICIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  I have a problem with the suffering which LEADS to suicide!!

  If we are talking about physical suffering that is really cut and dried

  you said:

  "Personally, I would be against any kind of suicide, even when it means eduring unbearable agony"

  OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NEVER ENDURED UNBEARABLE AGONY!! (theres a reason it is so labeled)

  The "unbearable agony" endured by people dying any one of the many excruciating deaths can be SO unbearable that it is not even quenched with an absolute maximum dose of opiates.

  Can you imagine that?

  I don't even want to, I have never been in THAT much pain, however I have been in pain significant enough that if it were to continue unabated I could not die fast enough.

  That pain was childbirth . . . most people say that they blissfully forget the degree of that pain, but I made a specific effort to analyze it so I could describe it . . . imagine this . . .

  The area from above your naval to mid-thigh is compressed (mind you you feel the pain that would be subsequent from every fraction of this compression) to the size of a pea,

  the area from above your navel to mid-thigh is compressed to the size of a pea . . . and . . .

  a white hot blow torch is applied to it!!! I am not freaking kidding here, not one whit.

  If there had been no end in sight for that pain but death, though that death might be 5days, 5 mos., 5yrs, or50yrs away, I would find a way to end it as quickly as possible (time wouldn't be a blessing here it would be a curse)! All I could think of was getting away from the pain, I lay there and had one spontaneous and unbidden continuous thought, and that was of jumping through the second story plate glass window and running, just running away from the pain.

  I know what you are saying Qjumper when you say:

  "If you could have an operation that would mean you could only laugh and never, ever cry, would you have it done?"

  Because I have laughed, I have cried, I have endured physical as well as emotional agony and I know the value these have brought me . . . when I held my daughter in my arms I remember thinking . . .

  'Love, Love, unquenchable, unfathomable, unimpeachable . . . inexpressible Love . . . I would endure this pain every day to hold you in my arms.'

  And I would. I wouldn't however endure it ALL day, there would really be no choice there Q. That level of pain lasted only an hour or so before they administered the epidural . . . if I could have left my body I would have. I wouldn't have chosen DEATH, because there was an end in sight, and a reward I could only at that point imagine.

  But for some people the only possible cessation for unendurable agony is death. And they know best when to choose it. If they don't who does?

  If they don't who does?

  As far as suicide because of psychic suffering goes, my opinion is the same as above. Because of the power of the subject, the fact that it doesnt't really belong in this thread, and the intensity of my feelings regarding the subject I will not go further than that in this thread.
  But hey Q, I hear your heart . . and it sounds good,

  Raven101
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  Circuit Overseer online. Welcome to my pages

  by Carlo in

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  hi brothers and sisters.

  i am a jw circuit overseer.

  you are welcome to visit my pages.. http://www.angelfire.dom/ky/proclaimer.

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  I knew I had seen your picture before Carlo, the minute I clicked over to your site!

  I tried to find the 'way out to my father' (actually though he's my brother, I'm christ, and god is our Mother . . . but hey, you were pretty close, for a mortal anyway), but you STILL haven't got the DAMNED game set up yet!!!

  What's up with that?

  I'm a little disappointed in you, but since you read your bible you know I'm the forgiving type,

  Raven101
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  Just how angery are you?

  by sleepy in

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  just how angery are you?.

  how badly has the jw experience affected you?.

  at the moment i'm very angery at the organisation.. why?.

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  Sleepy, I am very sorry for what you all have been going through and send my most heartfelt wishes for the best of luck and healthe for your father and family.

  The fact that this negligence of spiritual and material responsibility is exhibited by an organization which basically claims to be god on earth, is proof enough of the extent of the lie.

  But I believe one thing is true, the truth and 'god' is in your hearts, as it always has been. No one and nothing, has, or ever will for a moment ever take that away from any of you.

  Listen to your heart and take comfort there, all the strength you will ever need is there.

  WE are here for you too,

  Raven101