Posts by raven101

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Help me save my mother!

by raven101 in

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my mother was disfellowshipped 20 years ago for taking up smoking again when she was going through difficult times, no one from the new kingdom hall we were attending (had just moved out of state) bothered to help her at all, just gave her a few weeks to quit or be disfellowshipped.. at any rate she has spent the last 20 years in hell, believing she has betrayed her god and hoping she dies before armageddon so she'll have a chance of resurrection!.

if someone can tell me where to get access to irrefutable proof of the societys association withe the un, and their statement regarding their withdrawal, i believe she will see the error of their ways and start to live a full life again.

this association is something she has not heard of at all, but i cannot bring it up to her until i have documentation.

raven101

Thanks so much SaintSatan and SEAKEN! Have added the links to my favorites and started perusing them they look very useful.

Thanks again,

raven101

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Help me save my mother!

by raven101 in

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my mother was disfellowshipped 20 years ago for taking up smoking again when she was going through difficult times, no one from the new kingdom hall we were attending (had just moved out of state) bothered to help her at all, just gave her a few weeks to quit or be disfellowshipped.. at any rate she has spent the last 20 years in hell, believing she has betrayed her god and hoping she dies before armageddon so she'll have a chance of resurrection!.

if someone can tell me where to get access to irrefutable proof of the societys association withe the un, and their statement regarding their withdrawal, i believe she will see the error of their ways and start to live a full life again.

this association is something she has not heard of at all, but i cannot bring it up to her until i have documentation.

raven101

My mother was disfellowshipped 20 years ago for taking up smoking again when she was going through difficult times, no one from the new kingdom hall we were attending (had just moved out of state) bothered to help her at all, just gave her a few weeks to quit or be disfellowshipped.

At any rate she has spent the last 20 years in hell, believing she has betrayed her god and hoping she dies before armageddon so she'll have a chance of resurrection!

If someone can tell me where to get access to irrefutable proof of the societys association withe the UN, and their statement regarding their withdrawal, I believe she will see the error of their ways and start to live a full life again. This association is something she has not heard of at all, but I cannot bring it up to her until I have documentation.

Tired of seeing my mom desolate and damned,

raven101

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WTS and Aliens

by gsx1138 in

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one of the things that always annoyed me about the wts is there rigid belief that there is no other intelligent life in the universe.

i always believed that there was at the very least a mathematical chance and just common sense.

as a species humans are not all that.

raven101

Okay, you got me here gsx & elsewhere, i have to reply to this one.

The organizations logic is presumptuous, one-sided, and unimaginative, as well as specifically designed to discourage free thought. And as usual the very argument they use in defence of their opinion can be used against it.

"If God did create such beings, he did so before he created Adam and Eve. Such beings either remained faithful to their Creator, or like Adam and Eve, they sinned and fell into imperfection."

Hello people, study a little quantum physics and the new theories, time is an illusion, therefore there is not necessarily any 'before' or 'after' in the spiritual realm. There is also the possibility of multiple realities or dimensions, jesus could have died ONCE in multiple dimensions.

"But that is not Scriptural. The Bible tells us that Jesus “died with reference to sin once for all time.”—Romans 6:10."

Precisely what I'm saying, even discounting adjusted time or multiple dimensions, Jesus might have died fifty-zillion years ago on a far away planet and the 'death' witnessed here could well have just been a reenactment of that sacrifice. Romans 6:10 could in fact be interpreted as an illustration of that very fact! Why else stress "once for all time."

"What if these beings had remained perfect? Well, when Adam and Eve sinned, they were, in effect, questioning God’s right to rule over a world of intelligent physical beings. If another planet existed at that time, a world full of intelligent physical beings who were living harmoniously and loyally under God’s rule, would they not have been called in as witnesses to testify that God’s rule does indeed work? This conclusion seems inescapable, since he has already used even imperfect humans as witnesses in his behalf on that very issue.—Isaiah 43:10."

Why would they presume that? Obviously one realm of creation need not necessarily HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANOTHER, why do they presume it would? In fact there may be multiple realities and this would not go against 'scripture', it makes sense that each creation would be judged on its own merit. THERE IS NO LOGICAL WAY THAT ANY PART OF THE BIBLE CAN BE INTERPRETED TO DISCOUNT THE POSSIBILITY OF OTHER LIFE!
When god talks about 'the beginning' in the scriptures there is no way of proving he wasn't just talking about OUR beginning, after all what other reference do we need?

You know what? I am really not interested in the idea of extraterrestrial life, mainly because as far as far as I'm concerned it still leaves the big question unanswered. But unlike the WT I am not blind enough to EVER discount it!
If you are really searching for the truth you don't go around discounting shit that you have no real means of proving or disproving!

Let's face it, it is glaringly apparent that they are just trying to discourage free thought, as usual.
The lines of reasoning and scriptures they used could be used to bolster any number of theories . . . they, however, chose the theory that was least condusive to free thought or speculation . . . IMAGINE THAT!

raven101

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To All Faithful Jehovah's Witnesses...

by cyrano in

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hey non_trias_theos, protector of all that's holy, please explain why the watchtower 'slept' with the 'wild beast' united nations for almost ten years and continues to lie about it even now.. watchtower is lying about u.n. involvement.

"our purpose for registering with the department of public information as a nongovernmental organization (ngo) in 1991 was to have access to research material available on health, ecological, and social problems at the united nations library facilities.

we had been using the library for many-years prior to 1991, but in that year it became necessary to register as an ngo to have continued access.

raven101

uh, she was DISfellowshipped

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To All Faithful Jehovah's Witnesses...

by cyrano in

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hey non_trias_theos, protector of all that's holy, please explain why the watchtower 'slept' with the 'wild beast' united nations for almost ten years and continues to lie about it even now.. watchtower is lying about u.n. involvement.

"our purpose for registering with the department of public information as a nongovernmental organization (ngo) in 1991 was to have access to research material available on health, ecological, and social problems at the united nations library facilities.

we had been using the library for many-years prior to 1991, but in that year it became necessary to register as an ngo to have continued access.

raven101

Hey Cyrano,

where can i find documentation of the statement made by the wts regarding their involvement in the un?

my mother was 22 yrs ago for taking up smoking again during a trying time for her and she still believes it is the truth, sometimes i thind shes just hoping she'll die before armageddon so she'll have chance of a resurrection.

i plan to present her with this information when the time is right but obviously i need valid, irrefutable proof, if i just said 'hey mom guess what i heard' she would close her mind againdt it and later the proof might not matter

hope you or someone can help me out with this, i'd like to have the info ready for the right time

thanks,
raven101

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New Catholic Priest Abuse Scandal

by herbert in

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/gma/goodmorningamerica/gma020523archbishop_accused.html .

this would seem to be a very poor time to be defending religions like the jws against the clear evidence that they don't handle molestation incidents in any way that could be considered moral or responsible.

herbert

raven101

yes it would . . .

maybe it's approaching time for false religion (read; ALL religion!) to come tumbling down!

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JW's Kicked out of Ground Zero!

by Mister Biggs in

i knew it!!!

the article is lengthy but june brown, a retired legal secretary from atlanta and veteran salvation army relief volunteer, said this about jw's:.

"a lot of people don't like it when they grab you by the collar," brown said.

raven101

quote]"We send our counselors in the guise of kitchen workers, wiping the tables, who just ask if there is anything they can do," he said. "That opens more doors."[/quote]

Hmm . . ."

Precisely Nicodemus.

If someone went in there to proselytize in the "guise" of a relief worker they were doing no different than the jehovahs witnesses were . . . and excuse me people it sounds like your all saying the witnesses didn't do any real work . . . ? . . . can you show evidence of that because I haven't SEEN any??

I'm getting a little tired of insinuations as well as flat out statements that witnesses are any worse than other religions, there just isn't any evidence to that effect.

raven101

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Hyghlandyr's Sperm Donor's Felony Record

by Initiate in

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hi this is hyghlandyr.

for the naysayers out there who claim my story isnt real here is a info on one part of my story (more to follow on other issues later).

http://www.drc.state.oh.us/.

raven101

I hope the picture comes I don't know if I used the right method . .
searched a bit for dragonfly pictures for you and I found the following quote in the folklore section of a dragonflies of India site.

"Here there is a saying that 'you shouldn't force dragonflies to take stones' that means that one mustn't insist the kids do more work than what they can."

Coincidence?

The application of that saying is very apparent for both your sisters AND you, you were all forced to bear more than you ever should have, don't let it continue . . . remember the boy that you were, remind them of the girls that they were . . . and release whatever stones of guilt or shame you still bear. They were never yours to carry.

wishing you your favorite weather this weekend,

raven101
Sincerely

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Hyghlandyr's Sperm Donor's Felony Record

by Initiate in

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hi this is hyghlandyr.

for the naysayers out there who claim my story isnt real here is a info on one part of my story (more to follow on other issues later).

http://www.drc.state.oh.us/.

raven101

It was very obvious Hyghlander, that you wrote of a reality because your words took one there . . . after I read the page set to question you I did however have to reevaluate. That was a very quick and simple 2 second process, the truth is always apparent and easily known, the truth can never be discredited except in the mind of someone who chooses to do so.

Although evidence wasn't necessary I think, for anyone not set to believe a lie for whatever reasons, I'm glad you put forth the evidence anyway.

This time Joseph you are not a frail, helpless, defenseless, little child . . . this time you had the tools and opportunity to defend your honor and the honor of your sisters.

I send you all much love and hope your beautiful sisters are doing well.

NEVER DOUBTING DRAGONFLYS,

RAVEN101

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Oral Sex! As viewed by the Watchtower, a Quote!

by Beans in

the watchtower has some great articles for all jw`s to view!.

http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/oral.htm.

beans

raven101

I read the whole thing (unbelievably), this is some of the first of their publication I have read since I was a witness. I did take notes in expectation of analyzing and discrediting their logic in this post however I have neither the time nor the inclination right now.

Suffice to say the logic is woefully lacking, apallingly so . . . they start with a premise that is beyond weak and the argument goes downhill from there, only someone already indoctrinated, bluffed, and bullied out of the capacity for critical thinking would swallow it (no pun intended).

I can only hope that if I had not been raised as a witness I wouldn't have been blind or ignorant enough to believe it, it's really just too weak for words. I am almost embarrassed for them, and I am seriously not being catty or rude.

raven101