Posts by Reborn2002

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Has the watchtower molded your personnality?

by sleepy in

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lets be fank (o'er i,ve got to do something about my spelling .frank obviously)with ourselves here , especialy if you were brought up a witness.how much of what you consider to be you , your personnality your way of thinking, is a result of being a witness?.

if you were brought up as a witness all you earlly years were exclusivly based on watchtower thinking .your parent taught you as instructed.. ok we went to school and learnt a lot of new things and met many different people, this will have effected us.. but many left school to again be only amongst other witnesses.. when you reason have an emotion or feeling about something do you wonder if that is really the way you feel?.

or has it been programmed into me?.

Reborn2002

Actually now that I look back in retrospect being born a JW had it's positive sides as well.

- I begrudgingly became much better at public speaking. (Theocratic Ministry School anyone? LOL)

- I learned quickly how to "charm" someone so as to develop rapport, even if you dont give a rat's ass about them. (Excellent quality in the business world)

- I learned the nature of politics. (Anyone who does not believe politics and maneuvering does not take place within the Borg or in the real world to achieve success is blinded)

Then after leaving..

- I learned what it meant to be deceived. Because of this I became very skeptical of any and all things someone else said to me, and learned to be an independent thinker and after researching the matter thoroughly to develop my own conclusion.

- I learned to accept some things as they are, and to move on with my life. (Family remaining in the Borg and shunning are examples of this)

- I learned what it meant to hate. Being born into the JW you are nurtured to believe in this dream world full of safety and love and indoctrinated to believe every one of your "brothers" was out for your best interest. After getting a little older, I realized this was DEFINITELY NOT true. I am capable of the warmest type of love so as to sacrifice myself for someone else, but after exiting the JW I now understand what it means to hate something or someone because not everything in this world is inherently good.

Just a few examples of how my personality has been molded.

It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion.
WT 11/15/1963 page 688 paragraph 3

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Do they do it for the money?

by LDH in

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what never ceases to amaze me is why people ask this question about the gb.. why do they do it?

they don't get paid.

they're not getting rich!.

Reborn2002

I think we see a common denominator forming here.

LDH:

It's all about
POWER
, folks, and the chance to control people's lives.
Although to the rest of the world, these boys, the GB, are relative NOTHINGS, to 6 million humans they represent God here on hearth. They are worshipped as God's mouthpiece. Think about it--6 billion humans on this earth and only 12 represent his true will.
How much more powerful can you get?

out4good:

That must be some ego trip to be equal to GOD in the eyes of 6 million people.

Simon:

I think you are right about the power - they are well and truly intoxicated by it as you can tell by how they wield it.

metatron:

You just have to understand the male ego.

My addition:

When you are at the helm of a multimillion dollar publishing company which claims to speak for God, and you have convinced over 6 million people that you are indeed speaking for God and are to be recognized as His Prophet.. the power is unfathomable.

Millions hang on their every breath.

Millions conduct their entire lives based on whatever whim they choose.

Millions sacrifce their time and families to do as they are instructed by these men.

Power is an understatement.

It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion.
WT 11/15/1963 page 688 paragraph 3

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My JW daughter told me....

by Yadira Angelini in

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we were driving in her car a couple of weeks ago, (the night i have visited her kh) and she told me, that she was going to postpone her november trip to italy; instead, she was thinking about going when the new system was here.

i asked her amusedly: "are there going to be airplanes on the new system?"...

she responded: "well.... we are going to be using our 100% of our brains".

Reborn2002

Well here are my two pix I have used on this website enlarged for you.

I hope you like. You'll have to copy and paste into another browser I believe, I couldnt get them to load directly into the post.

www.geocities.com/chicagolatinman/jason2.JPG

www.geocities.com/chicagolatinman/jason1.jpg

It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion.
WT 11/15/1963 page 688 paragraph 3

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My JW daughter told me....

by Yadira Angelini in

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we were driving in her car a couple of weeks ago, (the night i have visited her kh) and she told me, that she was going to postpone her november trip to italy; instead, she was thinking about going when the new system was here.

i asked her amusedly: "are there going to be airplanes on the new system?"...

she responded: "well.... we are going to be using our 100% of our brains".

Reborn2002

Well, its actually not Reborn2000, if you look, its Reborn2002.

The significance of my screenname is that I DA myself late last year, and finally mustered the courage to stand up for what I believe is right, go against the grain, and then tell my brother and the rest of family who remain active JW the TRUTH about the "Truth"

Needless to say their minds were closed to learning reality. Cult programming does that to a person.

So in a sense I am "Reborn" in the year 2002. I am trying my best to start a new life for myself, and to accept the way things are and to move on with the remainder of my life.

I live in Chicago if that answers your question about location.

It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion.
WT 11/15/1963 page 688 paragraph 3

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How many found the REAL truth from the internet?

by Leander in

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if it was'nt for the internet i would still be stuck in the endless cycle of drone like meeting attendance and field service.

(technically i'm still in but not for long) i'm really glad that some ex-jws took the time to speak about the real truth.

for the longest time i always thought that what i was taught was correct, i never even felt the need to question it or validate it with actual facts.

Reborn2002

Addressing YouKnow aka Robert King is an absolute waste of time.

When confronted and trumped by obvious presentation of information which exposes the WTBTS for the false prophet and murderer it is, he either conveniently vanishes or goes off on some raving tangent which has absolutely nothing to do with the issues at hand.

His presence here is a contradiction and a demonstration of blatant hypocrisy in that the WTS makes its mandate very clear that any JW "in good standing" should under no uncertain terms associate with known DF, DA, or so-called "Apostates" yet he does so anyway, and on an almost daily basis.

He expressed irrational thinking time and again in that he states in his posts thoughts and beliefs which obviously contradict WTS Society current doctrine and philosophy, yet he defends them to no end and claims he is a active, loyal JW.

He comes to this board for the attention. Nothing more. He gets his rocks off in thinking that he is superior to others or in that he can debate with someone and win an argument, when in reality it is obvious to the majority of this board that he makes himself out to be a joke everytime he opens his mouth.

The same can be said for others who post here then irrationally defend their beliefs with no evidence or proof.

VioletAnai, MavMan, and Yadirf come to mind.

With any website or community, you have people that are either not welcome or not logical in that they contradict themselves profusely. Our dear friend Robert here fits that bill perfectly.

Can he stay away from this "Apostate" board? Obviously not. While he may fade away temporarily he always make a grand re-entrance denouncing what someone else says or spewing his ludicrous philosophies or predictions. Anyone who does their own research into the Archives of this discussion board can determine that fact for themselves.

Undoubtedly he will respond to this with some flaming insult or denouncement directed towards me. Do I care? Definitely not. Any opinion coming from a raving lunatic should be regarded with about as much weight as no opinion at all.

Then again, YK does serve a purpose here. When he vigorously defends the WTS and then rants with insane ideas and evasive tactics when confronted with the REAL truth, he exposes himself and the religion to any "lurkers" who visit here in doubt of their own conviction.

Kudos to you You Know! I propose a toast to all the anonymous individuals you have aided in either NEVER becoming Jehovah's Witnesses, or exiting the cult as quickly as possible.

It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion.
WT 11/15/1963 page 688 paragraph 3

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How many found the REAL truth from the internet?

by Leander in

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friends

if it was'nt for the internet i would still be stuck in the endless cycle of drone like meeting attendance and field service.

(technically i'm still in but not for long) i'm really glad that some ex-jws took the time to speak about the real truth.

for the longest time i always thought that what i was taught was correct, i never even felt the need to question it or validate it with actual facts.

Reborn2002

Robert King returns! Welcome back JW apologist.

It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion.
WT 11/15/1963 page 688 paragraph 3

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My JW daughter told me....

by Yadira Angelini in

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friends

we were driving in her car a couple of weeks ago, (the night i have visited her kh) and she told me, that she was going to postpone her november trip to italy; instead, she was thinking about going when the new system was here.

i asked her amusedly: "are there going to be airplanes on the new system?"...

she responded: "well.... we are going to be using our 100% of our brains".

Reborn2002

You guys are too much!

Everyone here seems to take note of my Italian heritage, but I am multiracial. My mom is Puertorican you know

Anyway, this is a difficult situation and I sympathize with you Yadira. Conditioned responses with unfounded hopes such as "waiting on the New System" are classic examples of cult programming. There is no real evidence of this paradise, only pipe dreams based on faith and someone else's idea.

I know this from experience, for I deal with the same issues in my own family.

I never knew so many people paid attention to me, I am truly flattered, but not worth that much praise or notice. I just seek the truth, and dont want anyone else to be needlessly hurt or deceived as I was for so long. I may be young, but 20 years born into that Organization is longer than anyone should have to suffer... and with family still on the inside which shun you.. continue to suffer.

Thanks to all for being a listening ear, and if I can aid even one more person to leave the Witnesses, I have done something right. So far I have gotten 4 people out now.. and I plan on making those numbers grow.

It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion.
WT 11/15/1963 page 688 paragraph 3

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How many found the REAL truth from the internet?

by Leander in

jw
friends

if it was'nt for the internet i would still be stuck in the endless cycle of drone like meeting attendance and field service.

(technically i'm still in but not for long) i'm really glad that some ex-jws took the time to speak about the real truth.

for the longest time i always thought that what i was taught was correct, i never even felt the need to question it or validate it with actual facts.

Reborn2002

Personally I found many of the contradictions at

http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/

and then proceeded to rummage through my grandfather's annual bound volumes from 1945-present to verify that these were indeed true.

After coming to terms with the reality that the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" had always allegedly been "inspired by God" yet changed it's mind time and again on a wide variety of subjects and even changed history and lied, the floodgates were opened. I then began researching through old literature written by the WTS long before I was born.

Talk about a shock to the system.

I found volumes of information not only in the bound volumes and books I possess, but on the Internet at:

http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/

http://www.jwfiles.com/

http://watchtower.observer.org/

http://www.freeminds.org/

http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/

http://www.geocities.com/watchtowersociety/beast.htm

http://www.watchtowernews.org/index.html

http://www.food4jws.org/

I guarantee you, if you research and read and verify the accuracy of the information on these sites, you will leave the Jehovah's Witnesses RUNNING.

It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion.
WT 11/15/1963 page 688 paragraph 3

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Jesus Praises the Disassociated

by metatron in

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"happy are you whenever men hate you, and whenever men exclude.

you and reproach you and cast out your name as wicked for the.

sake of the son of man.

Reborn2002

Amen

A nice Scripture to remember to shove in the JW faces to remind them of their so-called "Christian love"

They are NO different than the 1st century Pharisees. Burdening people with rules and regulations far beyond what the Bibles teaches. Condemning people who do not abide by their man-made laws.

It is disgusting.

Thanks Meta.

It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion.
WT 11/15/1963 page 688 paragraph 3

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LOCAL KINGDOM HALL

by badboy in

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friends

last sunday there were no cars in the kh carpark,wonder why, usually jam packed!.

perhaps they worked that it was demon possessed as mentioned on one of my previous posts(i am still having bad luck,funny experience since touching their railings.).

i was talking to one of two local council canditates who came round and i mentioned that vehicles whizz up and down our cul-de-sac, and one mentioned she lived virtually next to the kh and mentioned the jws speed up/down her cul-de-sac formula 1 style racing.

Reborn2002

Thats nothing.

In America, there are two times of year when the brothers either DONT SHOW UP or leave WITHIN 5 minutes of closing prayer. They are:

1. NFL Football Season (Think about it foreigners, Sunday games)

and

2. NBA Playoff Season (games are on Sundays)

Anyone else familiar with this?

It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion.
WT 11/15/1963 page 688 paragraph 3