Always a pleasure hearing from you, Ken!
Life is good,
rem
"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
this morning my phone rang, it was my daughter, she had to go out of town and asked if i could pick up her kids from school and keep them until she got back this evening.
i said sure, don't mind at all.. the phone rang again, my renter called and said the washer hose busted last night, so i said i would fix it today.. then my wife was washing clothes and the water was running out in the floor.
the sewer line had stopped up.
Always a pleasure hearing from you, Ken!
Life is good,
rem
"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
* that anyone can respond to even if they weren't born in, or even if they never were in the borg.
the question is;.
"when do you first remember realising that you were a jw, and that the rest of the world wasn't?!.
I suppose I knew at a young age that most people were 'worldly' - probably at kindergarten when I was exposed to non-witness kids. But I did have a certain misconception until I was about 7 years old.
I remember the conversation with my mom. We were talking about how many religions there were and how many Witnesses there were. I remember my mom explaining to me that there were way more worldly people than Witness people. I told her that I knew that, but I had it all figured out. You see, there may be more Catholics (that was pretty much all I knew of, specifically) and other religions COMBINED, but the Witnesses had the largest single religion. My mom looked at me funny and gently corrected me.
I remember that day I didn't feel as special anymore about being a Witness. I thought we were the biggest religion out of all of them (and why wouldn't we be since we are the true religion?), but my little world was shattered. It was just a foreshadowing of more to come, as it turned out.
rem
"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
to all those offended by the wt's behavior :.
one of the biggest cause of confusion among loyal ones to the wt org.
today, and those dissenting, is the very concept of what to expect from jehovah's organization on earth.
To All Those Offended By The CATHOLIC CHURCH’s Behavior :
One of the biggest cause of confusion among loyal ones to the CATHOLIC CHURCH today, and those dissenting, is the very concept of what to expect from Jehovah's Organization on earth.
I myself find solid Biblical grounds for believing the current people of God in earth are no different TODAY from those early Christians of the 7 congregations the apostol Jhon speaks about in the book of Revelation. Many of those ppeople were lacking real love, many others were judgemental of others, without full understanding of some parts of the scriptures, some even involved in fornication and unclean activities, and even others were just wolves and predators of their brothers's faith.
Yet no one here believes they were not God's Organization at that time...why?, I mean they were so clearly not the image of Christ. Yet they were true christians weren't they?. My point is, the CATHOLIC CHURCH on earth has NEVER been what we humans expect, why? because we expect the wrong things, and do not understand Jehovah's purposes well, as He kindly remind us of in The Scriptures.
Anyone who reasons now the CATHOLICS are not Jehovah's people on account of thier terrible mistakes, and even sins, fools himself with another kind of reasoning to get to the conclusion that the 7 Congregations of Asia, the apostol Paul spoke about, were however in spite of those SAME grave sins, the authentic congregation of the living God.
I think all the problems and issues regarding the CATHOLIC CHURCH will have to be eventually taken care of, just like it has always happened in the past with Jehovah's people when they have needed discipline. If that were not the case, one would have to come up with the answer to the question What's the difference between those two groups?. If one today is not God's people on account of its fine works, what qualifies the other in the past to be the real thing in spite of all the unclean things going on among them? I mean... they were champion fornicators accordind to Paul, among a whole lot of other unbelievable actions for a Christian. Could it be that none of these two qualify as TRUE Christians.
What kind of criteria do we follow to discard one group but to keep the other as a model to look up to? Do we read different versions of the scriptures regarding the poor and even sick spiritual state of those congregations? Why don't we reject First Century so called Jesus followers as TRUE Christians? Is there an UNBIASED and logical answer to this question?
Sincerely,
rem
"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
my daughter was born at 9:05am tuesday morning.
she's a skinny little thing, 7 pounds 5 ounces, with a shock of black hair, her father's chin, her mother's eyes, and a fetish for sucking on fingertips that neither of us recognize in ourselves.
i'll post pictures when i have them up somewhere ... meanwhile, foxy and i are trying to catch as much sleep as possible, which is precious little sleep at all.
Congrats, Dedalus! (or should that be DADalus?)
I'm so happy for you and Foxy. You must be running on fumes from lack of sleep. The last few days must have been pretty hectic for you guys. I can't even imagine how powerful a feeling it must be at the birth of your first child!
I just got your email - thanks! I'll be getting back to you.
Take good care of that baby, Pops! And celebrate with a good cigar!
rem
"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
well, i've finally had it.
i'm da'ing myself, along with a piece of my fam.
the unbaptised ones are refusing to go with my father now, and even my still devout father is leaning towards our opinion on things.. there wasn't even any screaming when i called the jw's the great hypocrisy last nite.. i just can allow myself to be associated with them in any way.
Good luck, my man! My wife and I have been making 'worldly' friends for over a year now and life is great. We are no longer dependent upon the conditional friendship of our former Witness associates. We found out that the real world is a great place to be. People aren't demonized and it's possible to have truly great relationships and friendships with ones we once thought were birdseed.
Starting over is scary, but fun - and it's not as difficult as it might seem at first. My thoughts are with you.
Good luck to you and your family!
rem
"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
not one for living in fear of "big brother" i was astounded to hear a young lady at aol ask me to verify some details and then procede to mention the site i last visited!.
the problem arose when i needed to update my billing info.
she asked all the usual questions and then when it got to the last 4 digits of my credit card... she said i did not have the right numbers... then it hit me, my card had expired and i was now using the new one with the new number across the front.
I think this is probably unique to AOL and maybe a handful of other online communities (MSN?) that use proxy services for Internet access. Normal ISP's don't monitor where you are going like AOL, at least good ISP's don't. AOL uses this information for marketing purposes.
rem
"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
what's your personality type?
take this test if you're not sure:.
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp.
I always come up INTJ on these tests.
rem
"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
my judicial meeting took place on monday night.
i was a bit annoyed because the meeting centered on my private beliefs - things that i've already spoken to the elders about in the past many times before.
i don't think i handled myself as well as i wanted to, but i guess i did ok under the circumstances.
Wendy,
My own stupidity got me into this mess. I posted a bit about it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=19395&site=3&page=1
No, this had nothing to do with that other situation. I did myself in! :) But it's OK. No worries. I think my wife and I will be just fine through this. So far so good. Of course they haven't announced it yet... :)
Thanks for your thoughts!
rem
p.s. No gold watch? Not even a secret decoder ring? Nothing? lol
"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
my judicial meeting took place on monday night.
i was a bit annoyed because the meeting centered on my private beliefs - things that i've already spoken to the elders about in the past many times before.
i don't think i handled myself as well as i wanted to, but i guess i did ok under the circumstances.
Ninjaturtle,
Yes, I am an atheist. I think that is why the meeting was so frustrating and different than normal. I suspect that most of these apostate meetings dwell more upon doctrinal or policy issues, whereas my meeting had to do more with providing evidence for belief. If they could have just provided some good evidence then I wouldn't have doubts in the first place. To me I think it's amazing how they just write people off and destroy families because a person cannot accept certain things on faith, but requires evidence and reason.
I told them at the end that their position is pretty scary when instead of refuting opposing views, their only defense really is to silence them. Obviously their beliefs are based on shakey ground if they cannot defend them using reason and evidence.
rem
"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
my judicial meeting took place on monday night.
i was a bit annoyed because the meeting centered on my private beliefs - things that i've already spoken to the elders about in the past many times before.
i don't think i handled myself as well as i wanted to, but i guess i did ok under the circumstances.
Six,
I'm not sure if I could get a lawyer involved to stop any public announcement. I don't even have a lawyer, so I'm not sure if I have any time to start that process anyway. It would be cool to make the squirm with a lawyer letter, though. Anyone here an attorney? :)
Also, I'm not sure of the legal ramifications of recording the meeting. I'm wondering if it's ok as long as I don't identify the other parties on the recording? (How do those TV shows do it with undercover cameras? I suppose they just have expensive legal teams! LOL)
rem
"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain