all us creationists try to do is offer true evidence that the one and only god is out there watching and looking down on us.
we present that certain scientists know the truth about god and that he is everything that we see from trees, life, weather, the air we breath, and even the most simple molecules.
but of course you atheists reject it because it is your nature to not be humble and see god because you want to rule your own life.
Hopeeverlasting, it sounds to me like you were unprepared to defend your arguments, you were overwhelmed by great counterarguments and thus have resorted to bitterness and childish whining.
Active JWs do the same thing all the time when presented with evidence against their beliefs. They resort to mental lockdowns of the childish sort.
just a little something my "anointed" roommate posted on facebook a few months ago, along with replies from her fellow jws.
it was chilling to read, so i took a screenshot and saved it for future reference.
please feel free to share your own stories of blind obedience within the org.
there is a glaring inequity between the 144,000 & the great crowd (gc):.
the gc will experience:.
1. the great tribulation - a gruelling/horrifying time which has never occurred before.. 2. armageddon.. 3. a thousand years of “loving” molding and refinement.. 4. a second armageddon at the end of the thousand years.. the 144,000 will experience none of these things.. isn't it strange that the gc has to prove themself so much but the 144,000 don't???!!!
Agreed 100% with truthwillsetyoufree. I just never thought of that point deegee. Thanks for posting.
jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.
there is another mode for how he exists.
now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.
Oh no. You've opened a can of worms. Good luck.
P.S. This topic has been touched on by tons of threads lately. Check this one: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6304731051851776/conclude-evolution-guided
david splane video.
morning worship.
david splane attempts to explain why the "slave" is not 1900 years old.. warning...video may cause drowsiness!.
Funny that he admits halfway through the video that Catholics and later the Protestants "took the commission to preach more seriously" by "taking Gospels into China and to the native Americans".
I thought only JWs preached.
during the last decade i've seen so many articles, and top speakers try to downplay that nfb policy.
now, this weeks wt study mentions a positive experience of someone applying having, "contact and applying nfb with a df relative".
When you are forced to beg Jehovah for help and forgiveness, you realize how much you need him.”
Stockholm syndrome much? How can anyone read this and not think something is not right.
hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.
i am an active jehovah's witness.
i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.
Data dog the bible is easy to understand. What makes it difficult to understand is the customs of men we've allowed in our lives.
Every Bible believer says the same thing. Yet there are a million different interpretations of bible teaching, each appearing logical, evident and "easy" to the respective interpreter.
it seems they sold the brooklyn headquarters building for $340 million.
this according the an article here.
i have argued with several jws who are now being trained to deny the org ever said the end in 75, what is your approach?.
They try to get away with claiming that they never really said specifically that the end would come in 1975, instead always bouncing around with words along the lines of: "...will the end come on that date? it could, it could.." or "...6000 year mark of creation is on 1975, that's all we are saying". However, they knew quite well what they were implying with such statements.
Personally, I would just let the publications speak for themselves. Gather up some quotes and print them. Heck, even the WT itself had to admit that it was responsible for arousing "considerable expectation" for the year 1975 (Watchtower 1980 Mar 15 p.17
)
what follows is my critique of the two final study articles from the november 2016 watchtower.
the articles titles are: "called out of the darkness" and "they broke free from false religion".. article: called out of the darkness.
parr 1. in 607 b.c.e., a massive babylonian army under the command of king nebuchadnezzar ii invaded the city of jerusalem.. .
What follows is my critique of the two final study articles from the November 2016 Watchtower. The articles titles are: "Called out of the darkness" and "They broke free from false religion".
ARTICLE: CALLED OUT OF THE DARKNESS
Parr 1
IN 607 B.C.E., a massive Babylonian army under the command of King Nebuchadnezzar II invaded the city of Jerusalem.
-Off to a bad start. Historical evidence shows that this event likely took place on 587 b.c.e.
Parr 6 - Under the heading "IS THERE A MODERN-DAY PARALLEL?"
Have Christians ever experienced anything comparable to the Babylonian captivity? For many years, this journal suggested that God’s modern-day servants entered into Babylonian captivity in 1918 and that they were released from Babylon in 1919. However, for the reasons that we shall outline in this article and in the one following, a reexamination of the subject was necessary.
-"Modern Day Parallels?" I thought they weren't doing that anymore unless explicitly indicated in scripture. This according to the March 2015 Watchtower Question from Reader Article which mentioned: "However, even where the Bible indicates that someone is a type of
someone else, we should not conclude that every detail or incident in
the life of the type is a picture of something greater".
Parr 7
On the basis of what they read in the Bible, some among them rejected the unscriptural creeds of the church, but it was dangerous—even fatal—to express such opinions openly.
Parr 11
Any dissent from what the church taught was severely punished. Faithful anointed servants of God had to meet together in discreet groups—if they could meet at all
-Similarly, Jehovah's Witnesses that openly question Watchtower creeds based on "what they read in the Bible" are at risk of being "severely punished" with excommunication, a punishment where they are mercilessly and completely cutoff from family, friends and loved ones.
Parr 13
The second notable factor was the decision by a few courageous men at the dawn of the 16th century to translate God’s Word into the languages spoken by the common people. Many translators undertook this work at the risk of their lives. The church was horrified. A Bible in the hands of a God-fearing man or woman could be a dangerous weapon—or so the church leaders feared! And as the Bible became available, people did read it. As they read, they asked questions: [...] From the point of view of the church, this was an outrage. How dare the multitudes question church leaders! The church fought back. Men and women were condemned for heresy because they rejected teachings of the church
-The internet has had a similar effect in our days. Concrete and reasonable counter-arguments to WT doctrine have become widespread and easy to access. The result has been a marked slowdown in growth within developed countries, as well as an increase in member exits.
Parr 14
Many who thirsted for Bible truth fled to countries where the influence of the church was less pervasive. They wanted to read and study and converse with one another without being told what to think.
-JWs are constantly told "what to think" when it comes to matters in faith and even everyday life. "Independent thinking" is discouraged and framed as a "worldly trait".
ARTICLE: THEY BROKE FREE FROM FALSE RELIGION
Parr 3
God-fearing men and women knew what they must do. They could not expect to receive God’s blessing if they continued to support false religious organizations.[...] But in many countries in the late 1800’s, the church was beginning to lose the backing of the State. Without fear of reprisals in such countries, citizens were free to discuss religious matters and to disagree openly with the established churches.
-JWs whose conscience tell them they can no longer support the organization are NOT free to discuss the 'matters nor to disagree openly' with JW dogma. Doing so can lead them to excommunication and a cutoff from family/loved ones.
Parr 4
The Bible Students understood that it was not enough for them to inform relatives, close friends, and church members of their stand on false religion. The whole world needed to see Babylon the Great for what it is—a religious prostitute
-Similarly today, exJWs worldwide are forming communities with the intention of showing the "whole world" the Watchtower for "what it really is": a tyrannical cult-like organization head that expects complete and unquestioned devotion with severe punishment for those that don't comply.
Parr 5
In years gone by, we believed that Jehovah became displeased with his people because they did not have a zealous share in the preaching work during World War I[...] A more accurate understanding of our theocratic history has led to a clearer comprehension of certain events recorded in the Bible.
-In other words: We were wrong, yet again, on yet another subject; but, hey, "new light"!
Parr 6
in actual fact, the Bible Students who were on hand during World War I (1914-1918) gave a tremendous witness during that time [...] First of all, the main work being done in those days involved the distribution of Bible literature. When the book The Finished Mystery
-...when the book The Finished Mystery was released, it included many obviously erroneous and extremely wacky teachings and ideas. You can find a a nice list of some of the crazy explanations from the book compiled a few years back by Alfred here.
Parr 14
Malachi 3:1-3 describes the time—from 1914 to early 1919—when the anointed “sons of Levi” would undergo a period of refinement.
-A clear eisegesis with no reason given to prove that said scripture applies to said date other than a 'because we say so'.
Parr 14
In 1919, a “faithful and discreet slave” was appointed to provide spiritual food to the household of faith.
-.... and immediately proceeded to begin a worldwide campaign entitled "Millions now Living, will Never Die", a campaign which foretold that the faithful "men of old" would be resurrected in 1925 and begin ruling over the earth.
Parr 15
Multitudes of sincere individuals are still being held captive by false religion. They need to be shown the way out. We can guide them. By all means, then, in imitation of our brothers in the past century, let us do all we can to help them get free!
-Its okay for others to leave their religion, but, if any JW were to attempt the same, they'd be severely punished as mentioned before.
-Let's reword it: Multitudes of sincere individuals are still being held captive by Watchtower. They need to be shown the way out. We can guide them. By all
means, then, [...] let us do
all we can to help them get free!
