Posts by Clambake

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Reading the Bible in 6 months isn't "anything to brag about" - Anthony Morris

by mac n cheese in

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the 2015 annual meeting, specifically, part 1, right about minute 27, has anthony morris emphasizing that "you're better off reading one chapter (of the bible) and really absorbing it" than just reading the whole thing "as a challenge".

while i agree with the the whole idea of meditating on anything you read, it was doing this very thing that brought up so many unanswered questions.

i also came to the constant realization that the jws did not have a clue about what the bible really said.

Clambake

What his ulterior motive really is , he is saying it impossible for you to understand the bible. It takes years and years of study to find the hidden codes since our entire religion is based on turning a parable into a prophecy and twisting things into the apocalyptical books of the bible.

If you read the bible and really didn’t study like we do you might think the bible is the story of god coming to earth in the flesh and the transfer of the blessing from the jewish people to the body of Christ.

No No No. What the bible really is , is the story of the heavenly hopers and earthly hopers and the overlappers and the 1935ers and the faithful slavers and the evil slavers and 1919ers and on Tuesday its is the blah blah blah blah. Bamboozle Bamboozle.

Basically don’t read it, read our books and send us your money.

Lying cocksucker.

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Did you like hymns as a jw?

by jean-luc picard in

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i was just explaining to mrs picard........ never a jw, and not english, how we used to celebrate the harvest festival, when i was 7 and younger, before my parents converted to jw'ism.. i loved to sing "we plough the fields and scatter".

of course, singing such hymns is, to a jw, paramount to apostasy,with the death penalty like punishment the ensued.. how really stupid their harsh rules.. did you have any favourite hymns?.

i think we would all agree, that they beat the pants off the "kingdom melodies".

Clambake

I can’t say I really have a favorite hymm but I have always thought it was kind of odd that each Cong seems to have its own band. Usually just over the hillers who like to play CCR and Beatles covers at JW socials. Only in JW world could secular music be better than worship music. You would literally get in more trouble having a Jars of Clay or P.O.D cd than a Slayer disc.

As for Kingdom melodies, Fuck they suck. They should be used at Gitmo bay to get info from terrorists.

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Did Jesus really die on a cross?

by macys in

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being raised a catholic we had lots of crosses around the house.

when my family converted to this cult they were all removed and destroyed in case they had demons in them lol but at this juncture in my life i do not even know if jesus as the way he is portrayed in the bible was real.

yes a man named jesus did live and die 2000 years ago and probably on a cross but he was definitely not the son of god.

Clambake

I have heard this debate before and the biggest factor against the torture stake argument is Jesus and the criminals would have died of suffocation in about 20 minutes on the torture stake. The whole idea of extending the arms on the cross was to prolong the suffering.

Mind you, JWs to me are more about disproving the bible than actually teaching it.

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Treat Disfellowshipped as "Men of the Nations and Tax Collectors"

by BluesBrother in

we are more than familiar with the wts rules that say the d/f'd ones , even close relatives outside the home are to be shunned completely "not even saying a greeting" except in very exceptional circumstances.

there is ,however, a line of thought that reasons on jesus' words at matthew 18 ,regarding personal disputes,and their application of it to being disfellowshipped.. matthew 18:15-17.

15 moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone.

Clambake

I have an Uncle is a pastor at a Baptist church in a large Urban center and he does some outreach work. There are some rules to working with people with drug problems, Homeless people and sex trade workers etc etc.

For example

Don’t go in their homes

Don’t invite them in your home

Don’t turn a blind eye to criminal activity in the shelter.

Etc etc

I often though of Jesus story about treating people like Gentiles and tax collectors yet hanging out with them something like that. You can help, even associate with people and not be buddy buddy with them as long as they know where you stand.

JW policy is pure blackmail.

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Do JW's use the bible to preach anymore?

by lostinthought in

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so...i totally stopped going to meetings two years ago.

since then, i have gotten married and moved into my husband's home.

his father and mother also live there.

Clambake

I remember studying with an Elder and the topic “the Israel of god “ came up. He explained to me these are the magical Christians that would rule with Christ in the heavens and the only ones today who can understand the bible (before the GB anointed themselves alone).

So I explained the book of Galatians to the elder. Basically Paul is writing the letter as a warning to the church in Galatia (sp) on the tip of Spain to beware of the so called Jewish Christians that were spreading the false teachings about the obedience to Mosaic Law being essential to your salvation. You are saved though Christ alone and blah blah blah. All basic Christian teachings.

So the book ends with something like blessing to them and the Israel of God. I don’t know the exact phrase.

Judging from the theme of the book wouldn’t you think the Israel of god might have meant, Jewish Christians who followed basic Christian teachings? (Christ alone, saved by faith).

So what you actually want me to believe was Paul was talking about Gentile Christians and heavenly hopers who were not supposed to be born pass 1935 and now are recognized as only seven men in 2012 ?

That is what Paul was talking about. He was dumbfounded.

I soon realized he didn’t know anything other Watchtower propaganda . He had no idea of common themes and how books of the bible relate to each.

He also never talked to me again.

Not that I have a masters degree in divinity but I think the average JW is dangerously uneducated when it comes to teaching the bible.

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Double Standards in the JW world

by nevaagain in

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no other organization has so many written and unwritten rules like the jws.

so it comes to no suprise that there are a lot of double standards.. even though the end is "near", wt is building new and bigger offices.

while the small jw should live in a closet and should make plans to have a bigger house in the new world.

Clambake

We have a doctor in our cong. He is straight from Africa and is most likely a born in.

He doesn’t do any field service (too be fair he works some crazy hours).

He does no public speaking

He hits about 50% meeting attendance (again long hours at work.)

His kids are enrolled in pee wee hockey.

Heck, my wife just had a surgery and he didn’t even send her with any official WTS directive. Just a note saying the patient may have strong views on blood.

The guy is treated like a total rock star. It is embarrassing how the elders kiss his ass. Now if that was joe rank and file……………………………you would be marked as bad association.

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Earliest Life on Earth Pushed Back Another 300 Million Years

by cofty in

researchers have found evidence of ancient microorganisms that lived in what is now western australia at least 4.1 billion years ago.

if confirmed, the discovery suggests that life originated on earth 300 million years earlier than previously thought.

.... the ancient microorganisms in question were found trapped inside zircons formed from magma in western australia.

Clambake

God

I hate when people fake an interest in all things science just to argue with theists. A thread like this is nothing more than bait to suck someone into a circular go nowhere argument where you can mock and ridicule someone’s beliefs.

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things you dont hear: Protest against Jehovah's Witnesses event in central Israel turns violent

by goingthruthemotions in

it funny how the cult will imbelish on somethings and others they just sweep under the rug and you never hear anything about it again.

i was just doing some searches on the internet and stumbled on this.

i had heard that the dub's were trying to get people to go to israel and then you never hear anything after that.

Clambake

Jw theology is quite anti-sematic in nature once you start to peel some of the layers back.

The last thing the Israelis need is more people telling its young people not to join the armed forces. The survival of the Israel really depends on the draft.

In Israel, JW are not just annoying, they are a threat to national security.

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If there is anything to bible prophecy, keep an eye out on Israel

by EndofMysteries in

what will be the end game whether in a few years, our lifetime, or hundreds + years from now.

bible prophecy did say israel / jews would be scattered then eventually brought back.

russell was declaring that and it was believed before being changed shortly before it happened.

Clambake

Why are you here?

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If there is anything to bible prophecy, keep an eye out on Israel

by EndofMysteries in

what will be the end game whether in a few years, our lifetime, or hundreds + years from now.

bible prophecy did say israel / jews would be scattered then eventually brought back.

russell was declaring that and it was believed before being changed shortly before it happened.

Clambake

Jws have no idea the new testament is the story of god and the jews and god and his church.

Once you understand the relationship , the rapture and how Israel actually means Israel tin the new testament the end times seem somewhat plausible with armegeddon most likely being a group of nations set to destroy the nation of Israel.

Who knows. All is I know it is a fun way to both pisses jws and atheists off at the ssame time