Posts by Clambake

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Do Kingdom Hall congregations communicate with each other?

by Faithful Witness in

when asked, my mom denies that they do.... do local congregations pass along gossip or reports on householders in the area?

specifically, i am wondering if they might report on (unbaptized) family members that live in other towns?.

since the abrupt ending of my bs with miss k, i have not heard from the jw's at all.

Clambake

When I studied I was place with literally the most arrogant and pompous assholes I have ever met. Being raised in an evangelical church it is pretty easy to dismantle the WTS and show how ridiculously stupid it all is. It is funny how you never hear of a pastor, priest or University level theology teacher ever becoming a JW.

After about 7-8 studies, he didn’t seem to interested in talking to me anymore. Me and the girlfriend got married and we moved away, she was marked of course. She moved to a new cong, got unmarked. I make a token effort time to time to keep the peace at home.

Not a single person has approached me about a study. Too bad, I love to talk about bible theology. The difference between a parable and the prophecy, who the angel of the lord in the old testament was, the plurality of god in the old testament and how it is explained in the book of john, how quotes using the divine name are used in the new testament, the difference between the physical nation of Israel and the church, mosic law and the law of Christ, the difference between the old and new conevent.

Not a single taker.

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JWs And Near Death Experiences

by Cold Steel in

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Clambake

Sorry for bumping this thread but isn’t it depressing being a religion where no super freaky shit ever happens. Not saying I am not somewhat of a skeptic but I am like Mulder from the X-files, I want to believe. ( Near Death Experiences, Faith healing, various miracles).

Come to think of it, sometimes someone will say something so stupid in the KH it really makes me believe there are demons around.

“Just because don’t understand the light, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t obey “ .

“ The truth tomorrow can be different than the today but it important we keep shunning “

I keep expecting ghostbusters are going to kick in the door

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I'm confused about the Memorial? Great crowd?

by thedepressedsoul in

this was my first memorial thinking outside of the box.

last year i was starting to have questions but this is the first year i noticed a lot of bs.

can anyone clarify a few things for me?.

Clambake

You need to understand two things

Any Christian sect that has there entirely theology all tied together by the book of revelations is really bad news. No one is completely sure what it all means.
The WTS has no concept of what the new testament is all about. Judaism to Christianity, the law of Moses to the law of grace, the nation of Israel to the body of Christ ( the church ), saves though works to being saved though faith.
Once you understand the big picture, it makes the WTS bamboozal just freakin stupid with the earth hopers and heavenly hopers and the faithful slavers that can only understand the bible.

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Last chance to make an impact! Help me please....

by Anon_SA1 in

jw
friends

so tomorrow is going to be my last encounter with a jw friend of mine for various reasons on her side.

(long story).

i have spent a lot of time discussing various concerns about the jw teachings, but havent been able to make any progress in helping her to question or doubt the teachings.

Clambake

I had a chat with an elder the other day about the new understanding about Mog and Magog. He basically told me a group of nations from central Asia to North Africa would come to together in a final battle against gods people in a final battle once all religion was illegal.

I then told him in the bible Israel and the church are two different things. This group of nations is coming together to destroy the Jewish people in the land of Israel. If you look at the trouble in the world today ( Yemen, Syria, Libya, Iraq ) where do you think this all leading ??

For people that are so in love with doomsday with the end being so near, their actual beliefs on the subject are actually quite stupid in light of the events of today. I just saw a glimmer wow we are stupid in his eyes.

If the witness in question is just in love with the doomsday situation ( some are, some are not ) it is good way to plant a seed.

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Worst Memorial Talk Ever!

by The Searcher in

i honestly have never heard such claptrap being delivered in a memorial talk.. the speaker repeatedly put down the way other religions administered the bread & wine, and claimed that witnesses do it exactly as the bible describes.

oh yeah????.

he forgot to mention - when reading aloud 1 corinthians 11:25 - that after passing the bread, a full meal was to be shared, before the wine was passed around!

Clambake

I just love how year after year there are just huge theological gaps in the memorial talk.

“ The bible clearly shows us there is two hopes for mankind, An earthly hope and a heavenly hope “.

“ Who partakes of the new covenant ?? Well those with the heavenly hope “.

“ How can be benefit from the new covenant ? Well being associated with those in it “.

I know the majority of people here are atheist/agnostic but I love bible theology. You would literally have to be a freakin retard to believe what the WTS teaches. They literally have no concept of the new testament.

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Calling all lovers of Jehovahs and His Christ

by vinman in

i must say that i have always loved jehovah and his son jesus christ.

i have a 12 inch diameter telescope.

i would go outside and listen to the psalms that praised to my god.

Clambake

Cofty you are a real one trick pony aren't yet.

I couldn't imagine how annoying you must have been when you were in. LOL

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Clambake

DJS, that is not the case but same idea

When I got married it had to be a civil ceremony because I wasn’t a baptized JW and we couldn’t get married in a church or she would be dfd. The first person I picked was a women but my wife rejected her because she refused to be married by a women. We threw together our wedding in a big hurry because the elders were coming down hard on her and we just wanted them to fuck off.

I had to go though about five or six JPs so we could get it done in a big hurry. The idea of backing a JP in a corner to marry me or else is ridiculous.

Being a Justice of the peace isn’t like being a heart surgeon. Just like I have the choice who I pick, they should have the choice who they marry. In a free country you have the freedom to be an asshole if you want, right or wrong.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Clambake

In Canada I know of a case where a gay couple approached a minister of some denomination to marry them and he said he couldn’t do it in good conscience. Instead of just finding another minister to do the ceremony they just filed a lawsuit against him and won.

I don’t know the exact details of the Indiana law but I really hope it protects people in those situations. I really don’t believe Gays are Lesbians are that discriminated against in the US to the degree in which they believe they are.

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Atheism

by Jonathan Drake in

jw
friends

recent events and book reads (one suggested by cofty i believe- thank you) have lead me to the only logical and acceptable conclusion:.

there is no god.. simple logical reasoning: matter can neither me created or destroyed.

so the amount of mass in the universe is constant.

Clambake

I find going from Jehovah Witness to atheist really isn’t that big a jump. Both are incredibly arrogant. Both rely on incredibly complex explanations to prove their books without fully understanding the literature they are promoting. Both never miss an opportunity to preach their belief systems and mock anyone who doesn’t belief in exactly what they do. Both in the super duper complex explanations generally seem to miss the greater point.

I prefer to look at the wonders of the universe with humility and amazement knowing the mathematical probability of it all forming without any intelligence behind it pretty unrealistic.

Who cares, be humble, be kind.

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Any ever use a different version of the NWT in the KH

by Clambake in

i brought a niv to the hall the other day.

man, i sure got some attention for it.

someone actually offered to get me a bible.

Clambake

Sorry

I meant use a different version than the NWT in the KH.