Tatiana, we are still awaiting your answer with trepidation!!
I could hardly sleep last night thinking about it! LOL
:*) Richie
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Brainwashing.......who does this sound like?
by Tatiana in"a lot of his control over the masses was thru "brainwashing" ,mass hysteria, and out and out fear of disobeying his fiendish commands!!!".
what does this sound like to you?
i would like to hear your opinions and then i will tell you where i got this quote.
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Sisters of the Stars & Stripes
by Uncanny ini have just tv-watched two very famous and very rich fleshly sisters, venus and serena williams, play out the final of the 2001 us open tennis championship for women.. venus, the older girl, won the match as expected after two regulation, rather ho hum sets of 'grand slam' tennis.
(maybe their dad had already done a deal with them on who was going to be the winner today.
) anyway, the big new york crowd seemed to get their money's worth, more maybe from the novelty value of sibling rivalry rather than high standard court play.
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"God bless America" may not be the official national anthem for the USA, but it surely has a direct corrolation to nationalistic symbols and anyone being caught standing AND singing it would in principle violate their "neutral" standing without question!
I only hope that she will not give a portion of the winnings to the Society but rather to battered children, abused spouses, animal right-groups or toward paying the legal costs to convict child molesters or what about paying toward helping the enormous damage heaped upon families and individuals who are shunned by a medieval practice of disfellowshipping in the modern era.... just a (valid) thought...:*) Richie
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Parents of Jehovah's Witnesses
by Grunt into richie and any other parent of a jehovah's witness who has been hurt by their child.. just wanted to tell you i'm sorry for the pain this cult and your brainwashed child have caused you.
there is no "balm in gilead" to offer but i can identify as my daughter is about the same.
i was never df'd or da'd but the results are very similar.
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Just to satisfy my curiosity: after all what has happened, do you still attend the Memorial celebration meeting once a year?
As for me, I have had enough and will not even attend the memorial anymore...:*) Richie
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JC FILE NOTES - What do they contain?
by Amazing injc file notes - what do they contain?
jones.. 15. brother smith would tell bro.
smith noted too that bro.
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A question to Amazing!
I was df'd as an elder 1 1/2 years ago - Can I demand to have all of my files destroyed for whatever personal reason? What would the procedure be - do I really have to wait at least 5 years before they legally follow up on that? Please tell me the recourse to be taken.:*) Richie
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Brainwashing.......who does this sound like?
by Tatiana in"a lot of his control over the masses was thru "brainwashing" ,mass hysteria, and out and out fear of disobeying his fiendish commands!!!".
what does this sound like to you?
i would like to hear your opinions and then i will tell you where i got this quote.
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Was it perhaps Judge Rutherford; incidentally he was called the Generalissimo - he was headstrong and strongwilled - he buckled for nobody and was an arrogant man.....
Just guessing if it maybe him.......:*) Richie
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JC FILE NOTES - What do they contain?
by Amazing injc file notes - what do they contain?
jones.. 15. brother smith would tell bro.
smith noted too that bro.
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I enjoyed your post Jeffory about the fact that you were able to destroy the files....I remember once when 2 elders came to my house unannounced (one of the elders called me to say he was coming over - I asked him why and he didnt want to say anything - I told him that I was busy and it was not a good time to come over - they came anyways; so much for consideration!!). They brought up some discrepancy about an insurance settlement at the time (my 1st wife died in 1989) about which I told a "reliable" elder in private, who I thought was my best friend.
This was a minor matter and should not have been broadcast to others...Anyways, the elders were quite forceful in their assertions that I was not truthful about certain insurance rules etc... They even brought up a situation that happened about 12 years BEFORE and they claimed that this was a "pattern of things" and therefore should be dealt with more seriously.... Can you believe that???
At the time I must say I was good enough not to throw them out of my house, but I did not do so for the simple reason that I was ready to become engaged to my new wife at the time, so I didn't want to spoil the whole thing by having them throw the book at me if I would have thrown them out....In hindsight maybe I should have done so!!!!
Am I glad that I woke up and fled the bodysnatchers for good 1 1/2 years ago!:*) Richie
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Parents of Jehovah's Witnesses
by Grunt into richie and any other parent of a jehovah's witness who has been hurt by their child.. just wanted to tell you i'm sorry for the pain this cult and your brainwashed child have caused you.
there is no "balm in gilead" to offer but i can identify as my daughter is about the same.
i was never df'd or da'd but the results are very similar.
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Thank you so much for your post Grunt - it's amazing to hear that there are so many people who are not even DA-ed or DFd who are indirectly shunned just the same. In fact I was in a quandary the last 2 days whether I should return to the meetings and see if I could work toward being re-instated. That way I would be able "buy back" a measure of peace and acceptance by my family. Of course my plan was - after re-instatement - I would never return to any meetings anymore but still have a measure of "respect" by the witnesses enabling me to be viewed like the world in a sense but still part of their family and not be entirely cut-off.
In another post yesterday I was questioning the possibility of returning to the Sunday meetings for future re-instatement; yet the replies I received were more than enough to convince me not to do that anymore! As they said it would be futile, not only would I have to go to all the meetings (including the bookstudy at the KH) as well as the assemblies before the elders could re-assess whether I am "worthy" enough. After much soul searching and going back and forth to the comments on this board I have come to the conclusion that it's not worth my time, my energy and my dignity to pretend for about 1 year (perhaps even longer - remember I was an elder before and as they say in WT-language: responsible for much and therefore be disciplined more seriously) before they would view me as a human being again. (I can't help but think of the prodigal son who returned to his father and yet his father accepted him back immediately - without disfellowshipping him afterwards....and what about the brothers of the prodigal son.., did they not have jealousy in their hearts?? They did not accept him back...boy, do those brothers of the prodigal son remind me of the Society!! )
Upon reflecting what you all mentioned to help me in my decision what to do, I must say that you have enlighted me immeasurably.....
I realize now that I will never be further ahead even if I were to be re-instated at a later date, for the reason that I could then speak and associate with my family again...
Yes, it was bizarre to hear my own loving daughter declare to me that I was unwelcome to see her and her 16-month old son...She said it with such assertiveness as to prove to the Society that what she was doing was a loyal move on her part (I assumed that she may not have been alone in her home when she said that, but regardless of that, it was mentioned at her own initiative with her full faculties intact)
I have 3 daughters; 2 of them and their spouses are JW's and the third, the youngest daughter who is not married yet, who does not go to the meetings anymore...I am just waiting for her to get a baby in the future and I will promise myself that her baby will be loved excessively by myself and I will do everything in my power to keep this future child from the hands of the bodysnatchers...
Thanks my dearest friends for your advise on how to proceed from here on: I have decided to never go back to the meetings again; I just cannot let go of my deepest principles.....:*) Richie
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Considering Leaving? Consider Larc's comments..
by DannyBear inmaybe this is the time, to stand up and be counted.
larc says it so well in this e-mail to me:.
****thank you for your kind words and your recognition of me via e mail, on.
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I agree with you DannyBear!!! I lately wondered where Simon was; is he really monitoring this site? There should be "no freedom of expression" on this board if it borders on obscenity and plain indecency. If they wish to be vulgar and sexually explicit, there are more porn sites on the internet than someone could count for a lifetime!!
:*) Richie
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Had a setback, but I'm okay now.
by TweetieBird inlast night the husband and i went out to dinner and a nightclub with the few remaining jw friends that we have, which are not many.
we laughed and drank (jw's know where to find the best booze) and had a good time.
this morning, i told the husband that maybe we should make an appearance at the kh on sundays only, so that we can hang onto the few remaining friends that we have.
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I have reluctantly decided to go back to the meetings only on Sundays.
The only reason for doing such a thing is so that I can get re-instated eventually (call that the right motive!) enabling me to contact my family in a more unbiased manner.
I am not looking forward to doing that, but then I will try to make it as easy as possible to enter the hall during the prayer and to leave the hall during the prayer.
Then when the time comes when they re-instate me, that will be the last meeting for me and that's a promise!!
(If, under any circumstances, they wou would have the nerve to DF me again for not attending meetings anymore, I will proceed with a lawsuit against the congregation, the elders and the Society!!!):*) Richie
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one more reason to loathe the Society
by Richie intoday i called my daughter who has a 16 month-old son, so see how she is doing etc and at the same time was asking if i could see her and my grandson tomorrow afternoon... she said "why do you want to see us.., don't you know that you're disfellowshipped..you should know better".... well i told her incidentally that i am her father and a grandfather to her son, she responded by saying again that i am df'd and i am not going to the meetings anymore etc etc etc..... i started arguing with her that this was not right and then in the middle of the heated conversation i decided to just hang up on her as i had enough of this abhorrent mindset which is so similar to the bodysnatchers' mentality.... by the way, i was df'd 1 1/2 years ago for the reason that i stopped attending meetings..... i am cut to the heart, but then again after looking inside of me, i am a free man and not involved anymore with an unnatural lifestyle reserved for zombies.... :*) richie.
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Today I called my daughter who has a 16 month-old son, so see how she is doing etc and at the same time was asking if I could see her and my grandson tomorrow afternoon... She said "why do you want to see us.., don't you know that you're disfellowshipped..you should know better"...
Well I told her incidentally that I am her father and a grandfather to her son, she responded by saying again that I am df'd and I am not going to the meetings anymore etc etc etc....
I started arguing with her that this was not right and then in the middle of the heated conversation I decided to just hang up on her as I had enough of this abhorrent mindset which is so similar to the bodysnatchers' mentality...
By the way, I was df'd 1 1/2 years ago for the reason that I stopped attending meetings....
I am cut to the heart, but then again after looking inside of me, I am a free man and not involved anymore with an unnatural lifestyle reserved for zombies...:*) Richie
You are the music as long as the music last...............