Posts by jeremiah18:5-10

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Ideas to wake up the JW 'Feelers'

by Captain Obvious in

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a great point was made by neverknew on another thread about certain doctrinal issues will cause a 'thinker' to wake up, but a 'feeler' will just shrug and carry on.

the feeler jw is often not stupid, but intellectually lazy.

they will often not bother to do research, whatever is said from the platform is fine.

jeremiah18:5-10

I suspect that those who are born in, as I was, are kept there because they feel safe. Its the only social circle they've ever known. Where else would they go? The big bad evil world?

Why not attempt to make some friends with some nice moral worldly couples and gently integrate them into your social circle, thus helping her to see the big bad evil world isn't at all like the society paints it to be. Then it will be easier for her to let go gradually, just fade into the background and escape without her even knowing it? She would replace the void the society fills for her and she wouldn't need it anymore.

Just an idea.

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Today is our 22nd anniversary!!!

by jeremiah18:5-10 in

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i just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge today as my 22nd wedding anniversary.

fortunately its the 5th one for my wife and i outside of the borg.

i've been working out of town, my job has moved me to tulsa, family soon to follow, but get to spend a happy day with my wife (enlightened ephesian) today.

jeremiah18:5-10

Thanks for all the well-wishes.

Frownedupon, I have replied to your pm

Robert-I guess what has helped the most in leaving wt is doing it together, independent study, and research of sites like jwfacts, jwsurvey, and jwstruggle. We both read coc and read the bible for the first time ever without the pre concieved teachings of wtbts. This was eye opening. We continue to be humble and hungry and keep our minds and hearts open. We don't have everything figured out and don't need to. We recognize wtbts for what it is and have completely rejected any supposed authority it has or any authority family may think they have and instead worry about pleasing each other and our children. We are just now making true friends that are unconditional.

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Today is our 22nd anniversary!!!

by jeremiah18:5-10 in

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i just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge today as my 22nd wedding anniversary.

fortunately its the 5th one for my wife and i outside of the borg.

i've been working out of town, my job has moved me to tulsa, family soon to follow, but get to spend a happy day with my wife (enlightened ephesian) today.

jeremiah18:5-10

I just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge today as my 22nd wedding anniversary. Fortunately its the 5th one for my wife and I outside of the Borg. I've been working out of town, my job has moved me to Tulsa, family soon to follow, but get to spend a happy day with my wife (enlightened ephesian) today. Happy Anniversary honey, glad to be on this journey together!

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Would it be too cruel to..............

by Amelia Ashton in

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yesterday i had a real blast from my past turn up un-announced on my doorstep.

she bumped into my daughter (who has rejected me) in sainsbury's, took her to lunch and got my address from her.

she claims she has been searching for me ever since she discovered i was back in the uk.. she is a disfellowshipped sister who was described by one of our elders as a wagon.

jeremiah18:5-10

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, is she initiating religious conversation or are you? If she invited you for dinner in spite of your contrary views, wouldn't that indicate that she's willing to accept you for who you are instead of for conforming your views? Or is she wanting to try and change your views and convert you back to the jw's? If not trying to concert you, isn't this the kind of acceptance we all long for, to have freedom to have our own views and still not be shunned. She should have the freedom to hold her own views too. Can you accept her despite her views? Again maybe I'm misunderstanding, please explain.

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The antidote to the myth that JWs are declining

by slimboyfat in

one of the most persistent myths on this website is that jws are already in decline, the rot has set in, and the descent of the watchtower is inevitable from here on in.

unfortunately the facts do not bear this out.

jws are still increasing even in most developing countries, and they are still growing worldwide at a faster rate than the general population.

jeremiah18:5-10

The WTS is so dependent on the numbers to prove they are the "onnly true religion with God's backing" they simply can't ever afford to report a decline. They never will!!!! The only hope is for individual members to look around and see people leaving the congregation or the combining of congregations. They will only see that if they want to. But then again, the WTS has an explanation for that too, it simply is further proof of Satan attacking God's people as prophesied, its a win-win for the devious bastards.

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My Mom has decided to turn me in... I am not afraid (Letter Inside)

by sosoconfused in

the only reason i am posting this is because i know many of you are going or will be going through something similar and wonder if it is worth it.

i personally feel that it is worth it regardless of what i lose.

my wife is backing me and i have my children.

jeremiah18:5-10

Sosoconfused, I feel for you. I could imagine my mother, far less eloquently, writing such a letter. Its heart-wrenching to read her letter, moreso because of how mislead she is and doesn't even realize it. You must feel so powerless to reach your parents, I know I do. The only way I can cope is to build an emotional barrier that I don't let them through, whether good or bad, its the same. I realize their love and acceptance is 100% conditional. I have two brothers, one is an ex-con inactive witness, the other has severe emotional trauma and can't function on his own, he is dependent on my parents and he's df'd too. I'm financially independent and successful with two wonderful kids and a wife of 22 years (this June 26), and yet I'm the unacceptable shunned one who disappoints them and that they want nothing to do with. So I feel your pain and know how you must feel. But to know that you are standing on your own two feet as a complete family unit, making your way successful and making your own decisions and future, is so gratifying and purposeful that you won't trade it for emotional bondage. Stay strong and committed. Make your wife and kids and true friends your world and life will be as rewarding as ever. You will feel nothing but pity for those who refuse to love you and know you. Much love and support

Jeremiah

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Who is Herbert L Wright? talk - The Superiority of Being Taught By Jehovah

by VM44 in

herbert l wight .

the superiority of being taught by jehovah by herbert l wight .

album: 2007 dc tulsa ok. http://www.musicbag.org/840311_herbert_l_wight-the_superiority_of_being_taught_by_jehovah.mp3.

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His name is actually Herbert Wight. I know him well. He's "anointed" and generally regarded as the best speaker in his region.

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Just can't miss a meeting, not even on a vacation

by Comatose in

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we had out of state company come the past couple days.

we had a days notice they were coming.

they stayed 1.5 days and left today because they couldn't miss the wt back home.

jeremiah18:5-10

There is a reward (brownie points) for those who don't miss a meeting while on vacation, they get an extra day of everlasting life deposited in their account.

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NEW video on Youtube MUST SEE! the elder's meeting is ridiculous!

by Newly Enlightened in

brother of the hawk, newly enlightened & gojira, recorded an elder's meeting on 5/7/03.

both does a great job of defending me and making the elders look foolish!.

thank you raypublisher/jj and jwstruggle for the awesome job you did on it.. follow up story was not recorded but we will post it here hopefully over the weekend.. enjoy, it's pretty hilarious how they try to control us and come after me on a work of fiction!.

jeremiah18:5-10

Great video. In listening to those guys, its obvious they were aroused by the story. They can't handle any description of intimacy. How else could they conclude that young sisters could get involved in very bad things by reading this. By the way, why is it so wrong to describe fornication? What if it was murder instead? Would there have been a special elder visit? Why is it that sex is so much worse and shocking than murder, robbery, fraud???? Those things are glossed over, but if two single people kiss or share their love illegally, holy crap, call on god for help!!!

Regarding Matt 5 and 18, its never followed. Why? Because if it was, the elders would be unemployed and unnecessary. People would actually have to talk, communicate, and reason and compromise. Gosh can't have that, they would lose their power and control.

Finally, at what point does my avoiding making you stumble because of your weak-ass conscience and busybody ways stumble me? Do you give a shit about that, holier-than-thou elders????

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A Contradiction?

by Yan Bibiyan in

believers know that everything is in gods hands.

this is one of the pillars of their faith.. .

if believers want anything to happen, they pray to god.. why?.

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I don't have a strong position either way on prayer. I've had times in my life that I felt that prayer helped me and to.es that I was convinced prayers were answered. Overall I always felt a disconnect towards god though, even while serving as an elder. I never felt god or holy spirit guided decisions. I did however feel prayer helped me to talk things out in my head and to identify priorities. I always dreaded public prayers, felt prayer should be personal. I used to believe it was thru prayer that we talked to god and he talked to us thru the bible, so that you take a matter to him in prayer then you ho to the bible and you would find his reply. I no longer am convinced of this. At this point I'm rather apathetic towards prayer, although I frequently meditate on god and the bible.