Why would anyone open their door to people who are just there to judge you based on their interpretation of a flawed religion's interpretation of the bible? The elders involved could have just as easily written a letter but they didn't. Why? Because in their little world where they have power (power given by MEN) over many poor brainwashed souls it bothers them that someone could actually think for themselves! It makes them feel powerful and important to tell someone that because of the arbitrary decisions that they make you may no longer be able to associate with your family or friends. It makes them feel special to tell someone that they have been rejected by God. What would they say anyway? Probably something like "Jehovah is a kind and forgiving God" and that if you talk to THEM (you certainly can not pray to God on your own) and admit all your wrong doing they (the elders) will only humiliate you (via a public reproof) in front of all your friends and family BUT if you do not "the kind and forgiving God" will destroy you and your family along with 99.9% of the rest of the planet. Hmmm should I open the door? I dont think so.
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33!ONE MORE ELDER FACING WTS EXECUTION Part II.!
by exodus inafter i came home last night i sat down to have dinner when five minutes later i received a phone call.
i did not picked up the phone.
then it rang again and refuse to answer it so i let the answering machine handle it.
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Change in WTS doctrine under way!
by biblexaminer ini posted a discussion on the bible research page with the same subject name.
it involves the 'quiet' new doctrine of the co, and i am sure he's not alone.
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roro
Interesting... Are all the CO's giving this same talk?
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Strange Experience Tonight...
by Bendrr inwell, after a good dinner of leftovers tonight i decided to hit the little bar down the street for a few beers and some pool.
rachel was bartending and we talked a little.
(did i mention she's a m.i.l.f.-a total babe?).
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Oh its on. Your so money and you don't even know it!
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Interesting accidental circumstances
by Kent ininteresting accidental circumstances .
have anybody but me been wondering why so many people and new posters pop up from nowhere the last weeks, attacking all and everyone?
i find this interesting; since its obvious the attackers do have a special agenda.
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Just a casual observation from a very new person. There does seem to be some sort of attack pointed against the more established posters going on here. Also it seems that these attacks seem to be of a more personal nature as opposed to simple a simple clash of opinions. In the very few postings I have made I have found the established posters to be very supportive and willing to extend themselves to help me or answer questions I may have. I fail to see the political gain from doing this, as I am no one of any importance on this board. Some the new 'angry' posters have mentioned cliques etc I have observed this to this effect- One group (the established posters) seems to be genuinly interested in helping others and providing what I consider to be valuable and educational information. Another group (the newer angry posters) seems to be focused on an agenda to bring those people down.
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Looking for some advice....
by roro ini'm looking for some thoughts/advice regarding this conversation my sister and i had via instant messenger.
(see below- names have been removed) i have been out of things for a while but i still don't feel very comfortable giving advice as everyone is different.
i have tried to avoid being df'd because of my family.
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Thanks for the input Tracy and Not Perfect. She is my younger sister and I worry about her very much. I'm going to try and get her going on the board here and the chat. She really needs to know that there are many people out there that are going through, and have gone through, the same things she is going through.
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Looking for some advice....
by roro ini'm looking for some thoughts/advice regarding this conversation my sister and i had via instant messenger.
(see below- names have been removed) i have been out of things for a while but i still don't feel very comfortable giving advice as everyone is different.
i have tried to avoid being df'd because of my family.
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Thx Zev I think we are set now. It was just an IM name but you can never be too careful.
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Looking for some advice....
by roro ini'm looking for some thoughts/advice regarding this conversation my sister and i had via instant messenger.
(see below- names have been removed) i have been out of things for a while but i still don't feel very comfortable giving advice as everyone is different.
i have tried to avoid being df'd because of my family.
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Hello all. I'm looking for some thoughts/advice regarding this conversation my sister and I had via Instant Messenger. (SEE BELOW- names have been removed) I have been out of things for a while but I still don't feel very comfortable giving advice as everyone is different. I have tried to avoid being DF'd because of my family. I realize that it may happen some day (or very soon if my Dad chooses to talk to the rest of the elders about the conversation we had the other day) but my thinking is if you can avoid it and still live your life why try and make it happen. I'm very interested in hearing your opinions.
Sincerly,
Roro
my sister: You still there?
My sister: Oh no. STILL BE THERE!!
roro: Im here!
my sister : Oh good.
My sister : Phew.
My sister : Sorry about that.
roro: heh heh
my sister: Anywho, it is clear to me that mom has just been holding in all those feelings about me waiting to unleash them.
My sister: It's like just because I'm not involved with the truth my entire character is suddenly in question and I'm capable of any evil.
My sister: I can see that she is completely frustrated with me and all my efforts to go to the meeting and everything just to appease her are for nothing and I'm really thinking of saying the hell with it for now.
Roro: when Mom wants to help you with things you need to say to say no because right now Mom is very involved in your life helping you all the time
My sister: I realize that now.
My sister: I'm not going to let mom help me with anything else. I know that she does it out of love but she also does it to try to control me and make me do what she wants.
roro: The thing with the meetings and the 'truth' is that whatever you do it will never be enough. If you go to some meetings they want you to go to more. If you go to all the meetings you have to go in service. If you go to meetings and svc you have to pioneer, etc.
roro: you need to rely on mom a lot less. Dont drop (your daughter) off as often. Even if it means missing out on some parties or going out etc
My sister: Ro, I just don't know if I can do it anymore.
My sister: I mean, I am totally leading a double life and it's exhausting. The biggest thing is my friends that are disfellowshipped. Practically everyone I hang around with is disfellowshipped or worldly and I feel like I have to sneak around all the time.
roro: Yeah sneaking around stinks.
My sister: I guess what I'm saying is that I'm thinking about just going to the elders and telling them I am associating with disfellowshipped people.
roro: I dont think they need to know your business.
My sister: I'm gonna get caught eventually anyway.
roro: Yeah and if that happens ask if they have 2 witnesses if they do so be it. If not tell them to prove it. You see I dont think they should be able to control your life. If it happens it happens but dont go to them and confess anything I think that would be a mistake
My sister: You think?
roro: Live your life and if they choose to DF you so be it.
My sister: Ugh. I don't know.
My sister: It's just so frustrating.
roro: I just dont think you should go to them.
My sister: I mean, with (my daughter) and everything, too, because if (DF’d friend) or (DF’d friend) or (DF’d friend) or someone stops by and then I'm so worried that (My daughter) going to say something about it to someone and I'm going to have to hear about it.
roro: If anything do like (DF’d friend) did. Just cut yourself off from them and if they decide to do something eventually so be it.
My sister: That's true.
My sister: I just can't take living like this anymore.
My sister: I'm so stressed out ALL THE TIME.
roro: Just remember eventually you will have a conversation with dad (hes an elder)
My sister: Meaning?
roro: Dad isnt easy to talk too when it comes to this kind of thing. He knows all the tricks. I just had a long talk with him on a variety of subjects regarding the religion. Prepare yourself, call me and I will do my best to help you. He believes everything so completely that the religion and what they teach are the only reality to him.
My sister: I know.
My sister: I feel so awful because I don't want to hurt mom and dad but I know I'm not going to turn my back on my friends. I don't agree with it.
roro: Just live your life if they chose to DF you so be it. At least you will be able to say to Mom that it was not your decision it was theirs
roro: I don't want to hurt mom and dad either but theres comes a point when you have to live your own life for better or for worse and live with the consequences of your own decisions good or bad.
My sister: I agree. That's the point that I'm at.
My sister: Speaking of which,
My sister: (DF’d friend) just stopped by here so I kinda have to go right now.
My sister: I'll not talk to them though if you don't think that's the right thing to do.
My sister: I really need to talk to you about this on the phone.
roro: OK tell him I said hello. Hang in there. I love you. Be kind and respectful to Mom and Dad they love you very much. But you still have to do what you think is right.
roro: Give me a call later or tomorrow.
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True Bethel Story
by drahcir yarrum ini arrived at bethel in december of 1968 on a cold night.
i had the taxi drop me off at the old columbia heights building.
the door was locked so i knocked and was reluctantly allowed in by another bethelite.
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Another True Bethel Story-
I lived in the 107 Columbia Heights Bldg. They called in the boys dorm because there were no married couples because the rooms did not have bathrooms. It was also the home of a good number of NPG's due to the common showers. Now you may be asking what is an NPG? This stands for Non-Practicing Gays. Every morning the NPG's would go to the showers early and pretend to be reading or working on a talk while they were waiting in line for the shower. Then when their turn came up and they were right by the entrace to the shower area and they could watch the young men get undressed. They would say to the person behind them that they just wanted to finish up this one part so that person could go ahead them. Earning them some more viewing time. They would also shower on different floors so as to try and throw people off. Now before there are any cries of sexual discrimination let it be known that I do not have any issues with gays I just thought this story would be amusing to some.
Roro
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what did you do first
by nytelecom1 inwhat did you do first?.
contributing to the 4/10 of the world worldwide work.
going out in service
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Never contributed I figured after pioneering and Bethel they owed me. Donation thing sucked. Stopped field service after my Dad the Elder turned me in for seeing the woman who is now my wife. I decided I no longer wanted to take the risk. I mean who knows someone could actually read those magazines I "placed" at not at homes and come into the religion. I would not want to have that on my conscience.
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My Story******Short Version!
by think41self ini was raised a poor white child in the deep south...ok, florida, where i still am.
i was the typical slightly self righteous witness, miss goody goody, left school at 16 to pioneer, which i did for 4 years, met a guy and married him.
he had 2 kids from a previous marriage and we had 2 kids of our own.
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Dear Tracy,
Great story. Like most of the stories here yours is truly an inspiration. I'm really looking forward to getting to know you, Doug, and Dana. Ive heard of these parties they have in Toronto, perhaps we can start our own thing here in Fla.?
Anyway this story and all the stories have really helped me. I started looking at this site and others because I knew my father was coming to visit this week and I expected a confrontation regarding the religion. Reading stories like yours, Dana's, and all the others has strengthened my resolve to stay to true to what I believe is right for me and for my family. I know there will be many challenges ahead but I also know because of stories like yours that happiness and peace are at the end of tunnel.
Sincerely,
Roro