Posts by RR

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What happened to Rutherfords wife and son?

by donny in

does anyone know what happened to rutherfords wife and son?

i had read somewhere he had sent them away, but what was the reason?

with the society's emphasis on how important the family unit is, how is rutherfords case explained?

RR

Mary Rutherford was an invalid, who didn't live with the Judge, Malcolm despiesd his father. He was a secretary to Russell, and when his father took over he ran for the hills. Lived the life of a recluse and NEVER spoke about his father. He moved around alot because people like Duane Magnani kept following him, trying to dig up dirt on his old man. Everytime they found him, he would tell them "come back next week" and when they returned, he was gone. He rented rooms. he died about 10 years ago. no sooner then he was buried, that the collectors and "apostates" come knocking, offering big bucks to the owner of the house if they could look through his stuff. She said no. Eventually she gave everything to goodwill. At a Bible Students convention one day, a couple went for a stroll and entered an old bookstore, and found Rutherford's Bible. It had belonged to the Judge, inside it had the names of Mary and Malcolm, it was part of the collection given to good will. I believe it's in the "Bible Students Archives" in Michigan.

RR

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Giving talks terrified my hubby-how about you?

by QuestioningEverything in

jw
friends

me and the hubby were talking about back in the day when we had to give public talks.

i'm a natural chatterbox and not very shy.

my hubby is just the opposite.

RR

I never had a problem giving talks. I guess I was a "natural". I feel very comfortable on stage. When I first joined the school, the elders would get upset because I didn't use notes.

RR

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What happened to Rutherfords wife and son?

by donny in

does anyone know what happened to rutherfords wife and son?

i had read somewhere he had sent them away, but what was the reason?

with the society's emphasis on how important the family unit is, how is rutherfords case explained?

RR

I know what happened to them, they grew old and eventually died!

RR

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The Very Best "Protest" Songs?

by hillary_step in

hard to believe that jackson browne wrote this piece twenty-two years ago.

hard to believe just how apt it is for the modern america.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpfdbklumqk&feature=related.

laura nyro - save the country.

RR

"Out in the Fields" by Garry Moore and Phil Lynot:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xsKpazeA5L8

One other song by Phil Lynot called "Military Man" is excllent, it fits right in with what is happening to US soliders in Iraq.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=luYuNo_dRjI

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THE CURIOUS CASE OF THE MYSTERIOUS 6TH NAME!

by Terry in

"judge" jospeh rutherford helped pastor russell draft his last will and testament.

as legal advisor this was fitting.

russell named five men who would adminstrate the watch tower society on an editorial board.

RR

Yeah, I contributed to that history issue, which I'm expanding into an 800 page book. Which isn't making certain BIble Students too happy, which is why when the special history issue had been depleted, they reprinted it and ommitted my contribution, but the original history issue is still online. Don't you just love politics???

http://www.heraldmag.org/2004_history/04history_7.htm

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THE CURIOUS CASE OF THE MYSTERIOUS 6TH NAME!

by Terry in

"judge" jospeh rutherford helped pastor russell draft his last will and testament.

as legal advisor this was fitting.

russell named five men who would adminstrate the watch tower society on an editorial board.

RR

was Rutherford the official lawyer for Russell to handle his will and testament? If so, it's easy to see how he could put his name into the will.

He was legal counsel for the Society, however, Russell gave him a thousand dollars and sent him to California, as far away as possible. But the Judge still had co-conspirators. VanAmburg and MacMillan.

Here is something you won't find in any Watch Tower publication:

Menta Sturgeon who was travelling with Russell when he died, wired his wife at Bethel regarding the Russell's death. However A. H. MacMillan intercepted the telegram and wired J. F. Rutherford with five words: “The old man is dead." The Judge was just a few states away attending a convention in Oakland, Maryland. He told MacMillan “do nothing until I get there”. It wouldn’t have taken him long to get to Bethel, considering that most likely most of the directors were with Russell. He went straight to Russell's office locked himself in and the rest is history.

RR

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THE CURIOUS CASE OF THE MYSTERIOUS 6TH NAME!

by Terry in

"judge" jospeh rutherford helped pastor russell draft his last will and testament.

as legal advisor this was fitting.

russell named five men who would adminstrate the watch tower society on an editorial board.

RR

No one has seen the original will, perhaps Barbara Anderson did, I don't know, but consider this.

WILLIAM E. PAGE

WILLIAM E. VAN AMBURGH

HENRY CLAY ROCKWELL

E. W. BRENNEISEN

F. H. ROBISON. The names of the five whom I suggest as possibly amongst

the most suitable from which to fill vacancies in the Editorial Committee are as follows: A. E. Burgess, Robert Hirsh Isaac Hoskins, Geo. H. Fisher (Scranton), J. F. Rutherford Dr. John Edgar.

What are the chnaces of the original will (not the one printed in the Watch Towers reads like this:

WILLIAM E. PAGE

WILLIAM E. VAN AMBURGH

HENRY CLAY ROCKWELL

E. W. BRENNEISEN

F. H. ROBISON. The names of the five whom I suggest as possibly amongst

the most suitable from which to fill vacancies in the Editorial Committee are as follows:
A. E. Burgess
Robert Hirsh
Isaac Hoskins
Geo. H. Fisher (Scranton)
J. F. Rutherford
Dr. John Edgar.

It would have been easy to sandwich his name between Fisher and Edgar, if the list read down, but someone may have notice the handwriting, so in the Watch Tower, they simply write it across, leaving the reader to assume that it was an error on the part of Russell, because sandwiching a name across, would be so obvious.

Of course John Edgar died in 1910, so Russell could have made the change, but one would think he would have cross out Edgar's name.

Just a thought!

RR

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THE CURIOUS CASE OF THE MYSTERIOUS 6TH NAME!

by Terry in

"judge" jospeh rutherford helped pastor russell draft his last will and testament.

as legal advisor this was fitting.

russell named five men who would adminstrate the watch tower society on an editorial board.

RR

Some clarifications.

The Watch Tower was left in the hands of a committee of five, an editorial committee (there was also a seven man board of directors). Rutherford wasn't on the list of five, he was on the list of "possible replacements". And even then as Terry mentioned, Russell stated "five" and there are six names listed, ironically the Judges name is listed. Anyone who knows their history knows that Russell avoided the Judge like the plague.

Russell never stated that they were to only publish his writings. What he said was that the Society was to never publish another journal, meaning they could only publish The Watch Tower, which is why when the Judge began to publish The Golden Age, he did so against Russell's wishes, and he published it under a different name.

Also, Russell requested that all of his writings as well as all articles appearing in the Watch Tower be anonymous.

The Judge somehow made it on the Editorial committee, then weaseled his way onto an 3 man executive committee, being assured that he would be elected president. he wrote up by-laws which gave the president FULL control of the Society, it's assets, EVERYTHING. At the business meetings the by-laws were illegally approved and passed. I say illegally, because ONLY the board of directors could pass and appriove by-laws, NOT the membership. When the board attempted to rescind those by-laws, Rutherford dismissed and replaced them.

After a few years, the ousted directors gave up the fight, and incorporated the Pastoral Bible Institute in 1918, there was also the Stand Fast Bible Students Association and the Laymen's Home Missionary Movement, as well as others.

RR

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LYNCHPIN doctrine on 1914 NOT from "faithful and discreet slave"--stolen!

by Terry in

the "chain of evidence" which links jehovah's witnesses with adventist die-hards influenced by william miller (framer of the failed prediction of christ's return which triggered the great disappointment) includes nelson barbour.. nelson barbour.

one major influence on russell's beliefs during this time was nelson barbour of rochester, new york.

barbour was the publisher of the adventist magazine, the midnight cry which had a circulation of 15,000. it proclaimed that jesus would return visibly in 1874. when jesus didn't return, barbour was at first puzzled.

RR

If you guys had actually read what Russell said about THE DIVINE PLAN, you would know that about 95% of what he taught did not originate with him. Russell himself admitted it. Don't blame Russell for what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach about him. They certainly can't be trausted, since they rejected just about everything he taught and what they did keep they distorted.

In Reprint 3821, Russell stated:

Thus, I confess indebtedness to Adventists as well as to other denominations.

In the same article titled HARVEST SIFTINGS, he stated in regards to the Presence and 1874:

I recalled certain arguments used by my friend Jonas Wendell and other Adventists to prove that 1873 would witness the burning of the world, etc.--the chronology of the world showing that the six thousand years from Adam ended with the beginning of 1873--and other arguments drawn from the Scriptures and supposed to coincide. Could it be that these time arguments, which I had passed by as unworthy of attention, really contained an important truth which they had misapplied? Anxious to learn, from any quarter, whatever God had to teach, I at once wrote to Mr. Barbour, informing him of my harmony on other points and desiring to know particularly why, and upon what Scriptural evidences, he held that Christ's presence and the harvesting of the Gospel age dated from the Autumn of 1874

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Jehovah's Witnesses vs Pastor Russell on the resurrection of Adam

by Terry in

one of the main teachings of pastor russell was that all would be enlightened with a knowledge of god's truth before they are placed on trial and judged for their final destiny.

for the majority of mankind this would be when they are raised from the dead at the time of the general resurrection.

their final judgment would be based on their conduct while enlightened and not on their conduct while in ignorance.

RR

I think the following says it all ...

Many theologians have since broadened their concept of salvation beyond this life, but "Jehovah's Witnesses" hold strongly to the position that those who reject their message are rejecting salvation. Contrary to our Lord's Word, every "Jehovah's Witness" becomes a missionary of life or death, using the fear of eternal destruction or second death, as their final appeal.