jesus said in matthew 28:19
"go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit ...." watchtower 1966 october 1 pp.603-604
"we do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization.
R R,
Surprised at first, then puzzled when I saw more, more and more angry after seeing the intensity of it.
Finally spiritually aggressive towards those, (especially elders) who could bring God down to this level, when telling me this organisation has Jehovah’s seal of approval.
The amount of lying should have been enough for me to see that they were far from god’s people but slaves of the devil, unfortunately it wasn’t.
KT
the parable of the prodigal son.
i will set out and go back to my father and say to him: father, i have sinned against heaven and against you.
" "my son," the father said, "you are always with me, and everything i have is yours.
Notice who resented this show of forgiveness, it was the one an only "ELDER" bro
They feel that they won’t have full control over these ones, this is just one of the ways they do it,
No real forgiveness.
2Cor. V 6 This rebuke given by the majority is SUFFICIENT ……………
v 7……….you should kindly FORGIVE and COMFORT him…………………..
The elders go far beyond that which is written
KT
as an ex jw, i found that the faithful and discreet slave class (fdsc) was paramount in the make up of that religion.. prior to disfellowshiping anyone, the elders would question your loyalty to the (fdsc), disprove the existence of this class and the whole credibility of that religion collapses, remember this hinges on just three verses in math.24 v45-48.
imagine a scenario; the elders are confronting you with this dilemma, what would your argument be, against the authenticity of this class.. i know there are many on this site that could answer this very well, i know of two ladies who could put a convincing answer.. to hear your comments could greatly help many who frequent this site, that find themselves on the fringes of that religion.. kt.
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compoud complex,
V
That’s the type of material that we sadly lacked when we were incarcerated, now wonder the jws steered us clear of this evil Internet. Brilliant
KT
a quick hello!, been lurking since september.. a big thank you for all i've read.. it's helped me put the fun back into dysfunction!.
blithe.
Blithe,
Welcome to you, were you a jw. If so and you are thinking things over, you will learn more from this site than you ever did from the Org.
Here you will find an interchange of thoughts and discussion points, many that you may never have come across with the wts., the difference here being you are NOT told what to believe.
KT
as an ex jw, i found that the faithful and discreet slave class (fdsc) was paramount in the make up of that religion.. prior to disfellowshiping anyone, the elders would question your loyalty to the (fdsc), disprove the existence of this class and the whole credibility of that religion collapses, remember this hinges on just three verses in math.24 v45-48.
imagine a scenario; the elders are confronting you with this dilemma, what would your argument be, against the authenticity of this class.. i know there are many on this site that could answer this very well, i know of two ladies who could put a convincing answer.. to hear your comments could greatly help many who frequent this site, that find themselves on the fringes of that religion.. kt.
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Neverendinjourney,
Very good site, very very informative, I will definitely use that site.
Kosonen,
I like your reasoning , good to put it back in their court.
Passwordprotected,
That really is on the ball.
Mary,
You didn’t disappoint me, good to show where their roots come from, how can a true religion build on such nonsense.
Wtwizard,
You mustn’t use the bible, that is really unfair.
As usual all the comments are bang on, It’s a real pity we didn’t have the internet when some of us first joined the clan. We just did not meet the thinking "brothers and sisters" back there, that you prove you are, what a shame.
Thank you I’m sure you have helped others to think for themselves.
KT
as an ex jw, i found that the faithful and discreet slave class (fdsc) was paramount in the make up of that religion.. prior to disfellowshiping anyone, the elders would question your loyalty to the (fdsc), disprove the existence of this class and the whole credibility of that religion collapses, remember this hinges on just three verses in math.24 v45-48.
imagine a scenario; the elders are confronting you with this dilemma, what would your argument be, against the authenticity of this class.. i know there are many on this site that could answer this very well, i know of two ladies who could put a convincing answer.. to hear your comments could greatly help many who frequent this site, that find themselves on the fringes of that religion.. kt.
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As an ex –jw, I found that the faithful and discreet slave class (fdsc) was paramount in the make up of that religion.
Prior to disfellowshiping anyone, the elders would question your loyalty to the (fdsc), disprove the existence of this class and the whole credibility of that religion collapses, remember this hinges on just three verses in Math.24 v45-48
Imagine a scenario; the elders are confronting you with this dilemma, what would your argument be, against the authenticity of this class.
I know there are many on this site that could answer this very well, I know of two ladies who could put a convincing answer.
To hear your comments could GREATLY help many who frequent this site, that find themselves on the fringes of that religion.
KT
i was given permission by a jw friend of my wife and me to post this experience.
she's anonymous and posts on the board.
she is married to a witness still but is fighting on behalf of children in her congregation to not be a next victim of a pedophile who attends her congregation.
Flipper,
"And all it took was one catch phrase " not believing in God " to set the P.O. elder into cult protection"
Perhaps if the elders new their sriptures, and not just the ones that they like to use against the r/f , they could show some sympathy by the use of Jude 1 v 22 "Also continue showing mercy to some that have doubts " v 22 save them by snatching out of the fire...............
I found that they would use Satan for every excuse under the sun, I often asked them what excuse will they find in the new system when Satan is no longer around ?
KT
did you accept appointments announced to the congregation as coming directly from jehovah god and his holy spirit?.
I have a tape in my home somewhere, that tells of a person who infiltrated the Wts for the sole purpose of finding facts for some eastern country (whether it is authentic or not who knows), at the time I had no doubts of it’s contents.
Anyway the person was baptised, became M/S, then elder, arriving at the position of C.O.
He then handed all the addresses of the brothers and sisters to his superiors.
Did God who knew the intentions of this person STILL appoint him in all these POSITIONS !!!! Every step of the way.?
KT
did you accept appointments announced to the congregation as coming directly from jehovah god and his holy spirit?.
In most cases the person is not asked or told of his immanent change (to elder).
Therefore if a person has a problem (whatever) if he discloses it, it will be very obvious to the congregation that there is something wrong with that person, this person was not given the right time to make any adjustments.
So rather than allow the congregation to arrive at their own thoughts, the person will inevitably keep quite, thus another "Spiritual Leader" who does not meet the strict requirements set out in the scriptures.
KT
did you accept appointments announced to the congregation as coming directly from jehovah god and his holy spirit?.
It was a constant gripe of mine to hear them say they have been appointed by "Holy Spirit", the guide lines set out in 1Tim. 3 1-11.
Verse 6 "do not appoint newly converted man, for fear he might get puffed up with pride and fall into judgement.
Was god speaking to himself, or was this a directive to someone else.
Verse 10. Let these be tested as to fitness first………………………….
How are they tested first………..in most cases their private lives are just that very private.
This was a perfect tool for the elders to have mastery over the r/f.
KT
