Posts by KAYTEE

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What Happens When Someone Who Is DF'd Dies A Day Before The DF'ing Announcement Is Made?

by african GB Member in

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friends

do the elders still go ahead and announce?.

does it go like : '"--------" is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses', and by the way he died yesterday.. or do they show jehovah's 'loving kindness' and not say anything about the poor dead soul?.

gb.

KAYTEE

He/she will probably be granted a posthumous DF

as they have not attended they will not be allowed to appeal.

KT

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First post after lurking on the sidelines

by onefootout in

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friends

i've been lurking on the sidelines for a while and have decided to jump in and introduce myself.

the name kinda gives it away.

i'm a lifer who got a shocker about a year ago by stumbling across the 607 baloney.

KAYTEE

onefootout,

Well done for seeing them for what they are.

Are you going to change your name?

KT

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Special Bible talk entitled: IS THERE A TRUE RELIGION FROM GODS STANDPOINT? - Coming to a Kingdom Hall near you on Sunday, April 26, 2009

by LUKEWARM in

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the latest instalment is coming to convince everybody that there is only one channel - one god approved religion!.

so folks, what arguments do you think the wts will use to "prove" that there is a true religion from god's standpoint?.

lukewarm.

KAYTEE

John 5 v 30,

I cannot do a SINGLE thing of my own initiative, just as I hear I judge, and the judgement that I render is righteous, because I seek not my own will but the will of he that sent me.

On this scripture alone they fail.

KT

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to this day, in all countries, any persons among jehovah's witnesses who find they cannot conscientiously support fully the organization's teachings or practices live in a climate of fear, feeling they must constantly be on guard as to what they say, what they do, what they read, with whom they associate, from whom they receive letters, not feeling any sense of freedom even when among personal friends or close relatives if these are also witnesses.

as stated, in my personal experience i have had people phone who were afraid to give their name or who felt it necessary to use a fictitious name, some who even felt it necessary to take out a special post office box to be able to correspond without danger of their correspondence with me or other former witnesses being discovered.

they face a form of "hostage" situation, produced by the organization's authority.

KAYTEE

c c,

We, who had misgivings about the witnesses when involved with them, needed someone like Ray.

He was able to take the fear out of the doctrines of the society, allowing us to make a better assessment of them, without the fear of the ground opening up and swallowing us.

My wife and I read both his books, it was when my wife realised that the G.B. were very very ordinary and not inspired that finished my wife’s dedication to them.

C.C. good thread allowing us yet again to thank "RAY" very much.

KT

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April 15th WT- Satan = Apostates = Critical Towards Brothers = Shun Them

by flipper in

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wow.

and so the wt society tightens down the screwdriver a bit more !

one of my wife and my lurking jw friends sent us this article which has some very pointed words in it inciting all jehovah's witnesses to take an even harder line view of apostates in this recent april 15th wt.. on pg.

KAYTEE

boyzone,

flipper,

30years in the Org. did not hear the thoughtfulness that you have shown.

They displayed, quite expertly, a hard side of life that I found disturbing.

It wasn’t the sympathy that I was looking for, it was the judgmental way these witnesses look at things, but a big thank you anyway.

KT

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Is The WT A Religion Or a Business?

by Bangalore in

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friends

many claim that the watchtower organization is a business disguised as a religion?

is this the most accurate way to describe it?

or would you say it is a religious institution with some corporate or business strategies thrown in?.

KAYTEE

"ALL RELIGIONS ARE A SNARE AND A RACKET"

Where have I heard that before.

Sounds very much like the businesses of today

KT

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Could the Holy Spirit Lead in Opposition to the "Spirit-Directed" Organization?

by compound complex in

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of course, i realize that not all members of the board would have a belief-basis to answer the above.. for the sake of discussion, however, do you see examples - biblical [applicable in our day] or extra-biblical - wherein an individual intent on serving god in loyalty and truth could be directed by his spirit to act courageously against the society's enforced "conscience"?.

thanks.. coco .

KAYTEE

The book, "Organized to accomplish our ministry

Page 32…. "They would be individuals who have the COURAGE to speak up when wrongdoing exists and take the needed action to correct it and thus protect the flock from any who would exploit them"

This is one I used against the elders many a time, they didn’t like it one bit, when you used the society’s own words

This was my spirit, spirit of exasperation at the elders.

KT

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April 15th WT- Satan = Apostates = Critical Towards Brothers = Shun Them

by flipper in

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friends

wow.

and so the wt society tightens down the screwdriver a bit more !

one of my wife and my lurking jw friends sent us this article which has some very pointed words in it inciting all jehovah's witnesses to take an even harder line view of apostates in this recent april 15th wt.. on pg.

KAYTEE

Flipper,

WT society is clamping down messages into the witnesses minds that by just being critical of anybody who is a witness - it's tantamount to being apostate ! Which turns a person into Satan,

I am absolutely ashamed of being involved in the past with such a judgmental corrupt Org.

My wife’s mother (93 years) has dementia / alzeimers, as a consequence she finds it even difficult to make herself a cup of tea.

We decided to bring her down and live with us from (200miles away).

The family has suffered in many ways, but we knew this was the correct thing to do.

The wife’s brother (a Jw who reminded me he was the head of the family over words we had) lives in Spain "where the need is great………………. " and sunny!!!!! Has never discussed this move or even thanked us for doing this for his mother, he phones her once a week for two minutes to ease his conscience.

Anyone who has done this, knows that it can be very restricted, Our life has changed in many ways because of this, my wife and I have never been out together since, just can’t leave her on her own.

As a Jw he will be saved at the coming tribulation, but we Satan’s offspring will be destroyed

KT

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should Elders be held resposible......................

by KAYTEE in

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should elders be held financially responsible for actions and decisions that they get wrong?

in my very last congregation we needed some form of heating, in the body of elders there was no air condition expertise at all.. this did not stop them buying a 3,500 unit for this purpose, there was at the time two refrigeration engineers in the hall (myself and another), we were not approached for our input into this purchase.. the outcome was as usual a complete white elephant, it did not work.

3,500 pounds lost.

KAYTEE

Thanks for those answers,

Amazing.

The congregation could sue the Elders under common law, and perhaps win. Most congregations have a corporate charter that directs the Elders to obtain a vote from the congregation on financial matters,

When in my very last congregation the elders PURCHASED a new kingdom hall, they exchanged contracts BEFORE putting this motion to the congregation, only AFTER the vote did they say that the contracts had been signed. ( I have this on tape)

WHO AGAIN WOULD HAVE BEEN HELD RESPONSIBLE if the vote had gone the other way.

It was a hall of two parts the top part was used for the meetings, which meant that the disabled could NOT get up there to participate in the meeting.

They were given a T.V. downstairs and a microphone in which to answer in watchtower sessions.THIS I’M SURE WENT AGAINST THE U.K. DISABILITY ACT.

KT

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should Elders be held resposible......................

by KAYTEE in

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friends

should elders be held financially responsible for actions and decisions that they get wrong?

in my very last congregation we needed some form of heating, in the body of elders there was no air condition expertise at all.. this did not stop them buying a 3,500 unit for this purpose, there was at the time two refrigeration engineers in the hall (myself and another), we were not approached for our input into this purchase.. the outcome was as usual a complete white elephant, it did not work.

3,500 pounds lost.

KAYTEE

Should elders be held financially responsible for actions and decisions that they get wrong? ;

In my very last congregation we needed some form of heating, in the body of elders there was no air condition expertise at all.

This did not stop them buying a £3,500 unit for this purpose, there was at the time two refrigeration engineers in the hall (myself and another), we were NOT approached for our input into this purchase.

The outcome was as usual a complete white elephant, IT DID NOT WORK. £3,500 pounds lost. There was no reimbursement because of there decision to buy.

The irony of this was that the other engineer offered to the elders a complete LPG system at no cost plus free installation by some of us.

THIS WAS NOT PUT TO THE CONGREGATION

Should elders make a decision when they do not have the skill to do it, and if they do, should they be held responsible for any costs involved? if they work for a company they would get the sack.

NO APOLOGIES

I’m sure you have come across similar situations.

KT