how many times are they going to study that book.
i left the year that it was published 1988 so i never had a chance to study it at bookstudy.
but i do have a copy(my mom sent me a copy in 1989 hoping i would return to jw's) and i just can't believe they say the whole book of revelation was fulfilled by actions of the wt society and russell and rutherford.
I think this was the book I questioned some of it’s material with an elder.
His comment when cornered, was it’s all old hat that book is over 10 years old , it’s old stuff now.
My comment at the time was, "1914 is older than 10 years, is that old hat as well".???
KT
we know the wts will never except woman as elders.in the last year as a member of jwd,i have learned more from blondie and mary than any elder in my congregation.all the elders in my congregation look like they go thru the motions.they are more like policy enforcers than teachers.. do you think that by excepting woman, some men would be embarassed to how little they know?
does the wts know some woman would better teachers?
is it more like a men's club?
I notice that Blondie And Mary are Supreme Ones, Is this position of Supreme One higher than that of elder ?
KT
here's one that comes to mind : are c o gave a sunday morning talk i remember and the theme of the talk was " the dangers of materialistic desires ".
well after the meeting me and my jw buddies who usually hung out by the cars in the summer were checking out what was a brand new black chysler imperial, big and beautiful with .
burgundy leather interior we were just wowed and we wondered who owns that ?
In my last congregation there was too many to tell, but here are just a few!
1. Elders stopping brothers going on to the platform unless dressed in a suit. (i.e. jacket & trousers of same material)
Then many of the elders, doing just that, even when they FIRST announced it, the elder closed in prayer with sports jacket/blazer and trousers (not of same material).
2. Spending £3,500 on a "white elephant" of an air-conditioning unit (which was supposed to be a central heating unit!). Because it didn’t function as a central heating system, they came out with a stupid get-out remark – Never mind, it will keep us cool in the summer. NO ONE was reprimanded, if they had been working for a company they would have got the sack.
3. The "Panorama" program on child abuse.
When I asked for the tape of the chairman’s talk on it, I found out that the elder had given instructions to the sound servant not to record this.
4. Elders lying through their teeth about why I was removed from carrying the microphone. (At this time I was suffering from an exploded disc and was lying on my back for about 4 months). They even wrote to the society, their lying was revealed, but as usual, nothing was done about them.
KT
we know the wts will never except woman as elders.in the last year as a member of jwd,i have learned more from blondie and mary than any elder in my congregation.all the elders in my congregation look like they go thru the motions.they are more like policy enforcers than teachers.. do you think that by excepting woman, some men would be embarassed to how little they know?
does the wts know some woman would better teachers?
is it more like a men's club?
Both of them would have had my vote and there is no doubt they would have done a LOT BETTER than the ones I came across, Bring back Ruth etc.. I also have gained much from both of them, allow me to, at this point, to say to both, a BIG THANK YOU.
KT
i've just been looking through the latest garbage literature in the above mentioned wt.
both study articles are on obeying the governing body, although the second article is more on obeying the elders.
losing your grip there a little bit fellows?
Brilliant stuff Mary,
Elders carry a heavy load?
They would not have to carry half the amount if they delegated some of the workings of the congregation to brothers /sisters, they revile in it because of the adulation they receive from the rank and file.
There is a saying "The art of good management is to delegate" they won’t do this, they are their worse own enemy.
KT
the prodigal son's father met him out on the road as he approached, put a fine robe around his shoulders and had rings made for him.
they had a big party as he announced "my son has come home!!
" everone knew he had blown his inheritance on liquor and prostitutes.. wouldn't the wt "arrangement" have mandated a comittee meeting to have been held to determine if they felt he was truly repentant and most probably he would have to had a period of time that he was shunned so they could tell the congregation "that situation had been dealt with".
When I questioned an elder why a disfellowshiped person might have to sit at the back of the hall for over a year before he/she is accepted back, I was told.
"This is to allow the person to prove his repentance"
I question the thinking and logic behind their dealings (Thinking of the prodigal son). If a person walks 20 miles a day it would have taken that person 7,300 miles to return (365days x 20 miles per day), (assuming that a year is about the period the elders put on them), is this Christianity? Is this the way to encourage repentance?
KT
Repetition for emphasis !!!
the prodigal son's father met him out on the road as he approached, put a fine robe around his shoulders and had rings made for him.
they had a big party as he announced "my son has come home!!
" everone knew he had blown his inheritance on liquor and prostitutes.. wouldn't the wt "arrangement" have mandated a comittee meeting to have been held to determine if they felt he was truly repentant and most probably he would have to had a period of time that he was shunned so they could tell the congregation "that situation had been dealt with".
When I questioned an elder why a disfellowshiped person might have to sit at the back of the hall for over a year before he/she is accepted back, I was told.
"This is to allow the person to prove his repentance"
I question the thinking and logic behind their dealings (Thinking of the prodigal son). If a person walks 20 miles a day it would have taken that person 7,300 miles to return (365days x 20 miles per day), assuming that a year is about the period the elders put on them. Is this Christianity? Is this the way to encourage repentance?
KT
the prodigal son's father met him out on the road as he approached, put a fine robe around his shoulders and had rings made for him.
they had a big party as he announced "my son has come home!!
" everone knew he had blown his inheritance on liquor and prostitutes.. wouldn't the wt "arrangement" have mandated a comittee meeting to have been held to determine if they felt he was truly repentant and most probably he would have to had a period of time that he was shunned so they could tell the congregation "that situation had been dealt with".
The moral is, "return to God rather than return to the organisation" - (You are more likely to get a sympathtic ear from God)
As has been pointed out, they (men) make you sit at the back of the hall for a period of time, usually over a year, with God it was immediate forgiveness. I know that the Org. can't read hearts but in view of this, they should err on the side of love and christianity
KT
i was taking a break from this board but in a last few days there has been unexpected development in my own family.
my mom is leaving wtbs!!!
she apparently celebrated christmas with dad but even that was just a tip of the iceberg.
Zagor - that's wonderful news - the more (that come out of the Borg) the merrier !
KT & Twinkletoes
hi, just wondering if anyone knows of anything published by the jw's in which they say not to accept employment with the u.n. i remember when i was younger telling mum and dad that i wanted to work for the u.n doing aid work, and i vaguely remember them pulling out some publication and reading to me from it but i can't for the life of me find anything.
thanks if you can help .
The scriptures they used when I was around was John 17 v 16..James 4 v 4,
Not to be involved in the ways of the world.
KT
