i have read today this quote from one member on facebook going by the name of ruth eeker.. .
based on her quote, she states that "as well in regards to the un, the society has various name versions registered still in the un.
so they are still not completely out of the supposed beast!".
Whatever the amount of involvement with the U.N. they are guilty of fraternising with God’s enemy, (he that is faithful in least).
They disprove their credentials by their actions;
Eph.5 27…that he (Jesus) might present the congregation to himself in it’s splendour not having a spot or a wrinkle, or of any such things, but that it should be holy and without blemish.
It is impossible and too late for them to do this.
KT
in light of the new convention going on; some of the topics were 1914 and 1975. the society is realizing their members are dropping like flies because of these lies.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaxbbvvoeeq.
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Great stuff,
I was studying in 1974, the elder taking the study rushed in before 75 to say we have only a few months to go, he later denied this.
We have a tape of "Fred Franze" giving a talk on that year.
How many lives have this Org. destroyed by their corrupt lying.
Do they realise they are bringing God into ALL these lies, down to this level of lies ………. of course they do !!!!!!!
KT
elders are told they are appointed by holy spirit.
that means the supreme god of the universe used his force to appoint them over the flock.. that is a major big deal.. so when they get in that back room, and the body of elders meets, or they are on a judicial committee or shepherding or whatever, they think they are speaking for jehovah god himself.. do we realize what that means?
that means that when they feel something, or they are emotional about something, or they get mad at someone in that room, they feel that is holy spirit directing them.. they don't realize they are on their own.
Reniaa,
The scriptures you quote 1tim 3 1-10 ;
Verse 6, not a newly converted man, for fear he might get puffed up with pride…………………….
Was god speaking to himself (Holy Spirit) or was he directing his requirements for office to MEN (Very imperfect men), yes he was, and there lies the big problem.
Saying,
If you want to rule over others ……………..you must first be master of yourself.
How can they see the qualities of others and more to the point, are they willing to see qualities in their brothers, when they are so imperfect themselves.
I would say that rules out a fair collection of MEN.
KT
elders are told they are appointed by holy spirit.
that means the supreme god of the universe used his force to appoint them over the flock.. that is a major big deal.. so when they get in that back room, and the body of elders meets, or they are on a judicial committee or shepherding or whatever, they think they are speaking for jehovah god himself.. do we realize what that means?
that means that when they feel something, or they are emotional about something, or they get mad at someone in that room, they feel that is holy spirit directing them.. they don't realize they are on their own.
"They also think they are worthy of double honour."
What about the title of "GLORIOUS ONES".
Totally against scripture;
Luke 18 v 18……And a certain ruler questioned him (Jesus), saying, Good Teacher by doing what shall I inherit everlasting life.
V19..Jesus said to him: Why do you call me good? NOBODY IS GOOD except one God.
The elders are not just mere GOOD but far greater than that, they are GLORIOUS
With that title they just can't do any wrong.
KT
good morning to everybody!
is a pleasure to participate in the forum.
my name is anderson, i have 43 years and i live in rio de janeiro, brazil.
Hello Anderson,
"The truth will set you free"
Welcome,
KT
in my old congregation there are many disfellowshiped young ones.
the parents use the watchtower rule that they need "assistance" from their children therefore can have them over and associate with them more freely.
this has clearly been abused as disfellowshiped kids taking the whole family on hloidays out to dinner, etc....but the elders turn a blind eye.
"still not the same even if I apologized and am trying hard to make ammends"
007,
Are you still a witness, if you are then there is a way to prove yourself to your sister!!!.
KT
my wife and i sent my 22 yr.old pioneer witness daughter and her husband a anniversary card and $ 40.00 and flowers the end of april.
my daughter wrote mrs. flipper and me each our own individual letters thanking us initially for the gifts - and then went into detail as to why she has not spoken to me for over a year and shunned me.. keep in mind as i paraphrase some of the highlights to these letters that the only negative thing i have said about the organization to my daughter in 3 years was to show her the ap news release about the child abuse settlements by the wt society .
i'll quote parts of the letter to mrs. flipper first :.
Flipper,
Very sad situation, when it is obvious that you both love each other.
Sad when we can’t separate Jehovah from the society, that’s why there are so many similar cases like this.
KT
this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
I think it is very easy to attack an elder on too wide a subject, I have done it many a time.
It’s very easy to allow a subject to go from one to another, this can happen when you have got the elder on the run.
What I found was to make them answer the point in question (not easily done when they are wrong) before attacking the next, then reminding them what they have just said before carrying on.
As been said many a time, little will come out of it.
Saying;
Never argue with a fool, he will drag you down to his level, then beet you with experience!!
KT
this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
hoboken,
Having had many, many a run-in with elders, I was impressed with the way you tackled the situation.
I don’t think I could have kept my cool as well as you did.
The secret here is what you have done, that is, to record the conversation.
On too many occasions I have found that they will lie their way out of a situation (it seems second nature for them to use this tactic).
My wife and I have been out now for 7 years, the longer we are out the MORE we see them for what they really ARE.
Hope all your family come out together intact.
KT
for your viewing pleasure:.
2008 2009 keep conquering the evil with the good circuit assembly of jehovahs witnesses.
saturday .
I finished my working days as a refrigeration engineer (not a window cleaner) having spent many years in the trade after a 5 years apprenticeship.
This did not stop them EXPECTING me to gift them a freezer, for their Bristol assembly hall kitchens.
Where would the Org. be if they were all window cleaners, (I do not have anything against window cleaning), but how could they respond to all the litigation actions that have come their way, if they had not made sure they employed this special level of skills!!.
I don't think you can build a massive empire, employing just window cleaners
Did Jesus Christ go against the society by learning a trade in carpentry?
KT
