Thankyou AnnOMaly,
I had in my mind EnGedi, and googling that really didn't help!
I'll make a note of this somewhere so I don't forget again - I found it extremely convincing.
Splash
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by NeverKnew ini'm suffering from a vicious cycle.
put the research down - declare i'm not doing it anymore because it sickens me, ponder, make another aha connection, get sickened by it, put the research down, declare i'm not doing it anymore because it sickens me.. ponder.
i'm glad it's not just me.. i think my jw friend has been embarrassed one time too many with wt historical facts and so now he has asked me to help him understand my concerns and present him with some research that validates it.
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by NeverKnew ini'm suffering from a vicious cycle.
put the research down - declare i'm not doing it anymore because it sickens me, ponder, make another aha connection, get sickened by it, put the research down, declare i'm not doing it anymore because it sickens me.. ponder.
i'm glad it's not just me.. i think my jw friend has been embarrassed one time too many with wt historical facts and so now he has asked me to help him understand my concerns and present him with some research that validates it.
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What was the name of that ancient family which had a business (banking?), and cuneiform transactions have been found dating all of the kings according to secular opinion?
I just can't remember their name.
Splash.
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the seven trumpets have not yet been sounded
by MASIMBA inin the book revelation its grand climax at hand in chapter 18 (earthquakes in the lords day) on page 112, the writers mention that the sixth seal is going to be opened some time in the future and yet they go on to mention in chapter 21 (jehovahs plagues on christendom) that the seven trumpets have already been blown and they give explanations of the fulfillment of these trumpet blasts in mankinds history.
however, i believe it is impossible for the seven trumpets to have been sounded before the opening of the sixth seal because firstly, as they pointed out in the book, the sounding of the seven trumpets is ushered in by the opening of the seventh seal, which seal is only opened after the sixth seal has been opened as happened with the other seals.
the seals were opened or are opened in order form the first to the seventh, which is the last, without skipping one and going to the next.
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Welcome MASIMBA!
Good observation, thank you for sharing that with us.
If you find any more be sure to let us all know here!
Splash
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Dear watchtower bible and tract society, governing body, and all of your twisted teachings...
by OneDayillBeFree inafter today's watchtower study which was basically a mind controlling article about shunning your loved disfellowshipped ones, i've come to see just how sick, twisted, vile, rotten, repulsive, disgusting, and just plain evil you all are.
so i stormed out.
i don't know if i'll ever come back to your meetings again.
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Splash
Regarding that "not emailing" statement we were told "That loophole has now been closed brothers".
As for limiting recreation so it's guilt free, since when did anyone feel guilt for unwinding? Who is trying to make us feel guilty for relaxing?
Really???
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How do I tell my husband?
by dissonance_resolved ini'm a born in, baptized as a young teenager, whole family is jw.
i just recently woke up after the new understanding of the fds was announced and it seemed to me to smack of power-grabbing.
i started looking at all the websites we're not supposed to, and now i know why.
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Splash
Welcome to the family of awakened people.
I've not yet had to deal with this issue but many on here will give you their views and experiences.
Only you know the best way to handle your husband, but my suggestion is that you take it slowly.
Wishing you the best,
Splash.
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Chef Gordon Ramsay to meet with Governing Body.
by DATA-DOG inlol!!
can you imagine gordon ramsay cleaning up the wtbts!!??
i used to hate gordon, at least i thought i did.
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Splash
"Gordon Ramsay is a lying limited talented celebrity/cook."
He holds 14 michelin stars across his 20 restaurants.
You might not like him, but 'limited talent'? No.
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Porneia in marriage - a changing view:
by Splash in1974 - can divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1978 - can still divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1983 - cannot divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
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I remember the first time I received aural sex.
My ear hurt for about three days.
Splash.
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Porneia in marriage - a changing view:
by Splash in1974 - can divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1978 - can still divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1983 - cannot divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
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Hi Data-dog, Have fun sorting through these:
DIVORCE ALLOWED FOR HOMOSEXUALITY/BESTIALITY?
1956 - No : WT56 10/1 p.591 par.20
"Sodomy (the unnatural intercourse of one male with another male as with a female), lesbianism (the homosexual relations between women), and bestiality (the unnatural sexual relations by man or woman with an animal) are not Scriptural grounds for divorce. "
1972 - No : WT72 1/1 p.32
"While both homosexuality and bestiality are disgusting perversions, in the case of neither one is the marriage tie broken. It is broken only by acts that make an individual “one flesh” with a person of the opposite sex other than his or her legal marriage mate."
1972 - YES : w72 12/15 p. 767 Questions From Readers
"Does this mean that unnatural and perverted sexual relations such as those engaged in by homosexuals are included in the meaning of this term used by the apostle in recording Jesus’ words? Yes, that is the case... This clearly marks a correction in the view expressed on previous occasions in the columns of this magazine."
1983 - YES : WT83 3/15 p.30
So, then, “fornication” in the broad sense, and as used at Matthew 5:32 and 19:9, evidently refers to a broad range of unlawful or illicit sex relations outside marriage. Porneia involves the grossly immoral use of the genital organ(s) of at least one human (whether in a natural or a perverted way); also, there must have been another party to the immorality—a human of either sex, or a beast."
DIVORCE ALLOWED FOR PORNEIA BETWEEN MARRIAGE MATES?
YES - w74 11/15 p. 704 Questions From Readers
That por·nei′a can rightly be considered as including perversions within the marriage arrangement is seen in that the man who forces his wife to have unnatural sex relations with him in effect “prostitutes” or “debauches” her. This makes him guilty of por·nei′a, for the related Greek verb por·neu′o means “to prostitute, debauch.” Hence, circumstances could arise that would make lewd practices of a married person toward that one’s marriage mate a Scriptural basis for divorce.
YES - Both can be disfellowshipped - w74 11/15 p. 704 Questions From Readers
If, on the other hand, the lewd practices were engaged in by mutual consent, neither mate would have a basis for claiming por·nei′a as a Scriptural ground for divorce. Both marriage partners are guilty. Such a case, if brought to the attention of elders in the congregation, would be handled like any other serious wrongdoing.
YES - But no longer a disfellowshipping offense - w78 2/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers
In the past some comments have appeared in this magazine in connection with certain unusual sex practices, such as oral sex, within marriage and these were equated with gross sexual immorality. On this basis the conclusion was reached that those engaging in such sex practices were subject to disfellowshipping if unrepentant... A careful further weighing of this matter, however, convinces us that, in view of the absence of clear Scriptural instruction, these are matters for which the married couple themselves must bear the responsibility before God and that these marital intimacies do not come within the province of the congregational elders to attempt to control nor to take disfellowshipping action with such matters as the sole basis.
YES - w78 2/15 pp. 31-32 Questions From Readers
If a married person believes that the sexual practices of the mate, though not involving someone outside the marriage, are nevertheless of such a gross nature as to constitute a clear surrender to lewdness or a debauching in lewdness, then that must be his or her own decision and responsibility.
Such a one may hold that the circumstances provide Scriptural basis for divorce.
NO - w83 3/15 p. 31 Honor Godly Marriage!
What, though, if one mate wants or even demands to share with his or her partner in what is clearly a perverted sex practice? The above-presented facts show that porneia involves unlawful sexual conduct outside the marital arrangement. Thus, a mate’s enforcing perverted acts, such as oral or anal sex, within the marriage would not constitute a Scriptural basis for a divorce that would free either for remarriage
No-one else's business! - w83 3/15 p. 31 Honor Godly Marriage!
As already stated, it is not for elders to “police” the private marital matters of couples in the congregation.
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Porneia in marriage - a changing view:
by Splash in1974 - can divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1978 - can still divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1983 - cannot divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
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Porneia in marriage - a changing view:
1956 - Cannot divorce a partner for their homosexuality or bestiality, or you risk being disfellowshipped
1972 - Cannot divorce a partner for their homosexuality or bestiality, or you risk being disfellowshipped
1972 - Can divorce a partner for homosexuality (but not bestiality)
1974 - Can be disfellowshipped for performing oral/anal intercourse with your marriage mate
1974 - Can divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse
1974 - Cannot divorce your marriage mate if you both consented to oral/anal intercourse
1978 - Cannot be disfellowshipped for performing oral/anal intercourse with your marriage mate
1978 - Can still divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse
1983 - Can now divorce a partner for their bestiality
1983 - Cannot divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse
1983 - It's not for elders to 'police' the private marital matters of couples!
Questions:
1. How would you feel if you were disfellowshipped for divorcing a mate, only for the teaching to later change so that you would no longer be disfellowshipped?
2. Prior to 1978, how many were df'd for wanting certain types of intercourse with their marriage mate, only for it to later be redefined as a non-df'ing offense?
3. Prior to 1983, how many divorced their mates and remarried basis this teaching, only to later discover that Jehovah actually does not allow this, and future divorces for this reason will now get you df'd?
Confused?
Splash
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Changed Writings
by Bangalore inchanged writings.. .
source : wt quotes site.
thy kingdom come (studies in the scriptures vol.3) (1908) p.228 .
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