Posts by Splash

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Did the society official track each member of the 144,000?

by Bob Loblaw in

when i left witness land in the early 90's, i remember hearing that out of 144,000 anointed members that there were only 8 to 9 thousand left and then the end will come.. i'm suddenly curious.

the jw organization is one that puts emphasis on tracking, i.e., regular meeting attendance, current standing, field service hours, territory tracking, return visits, etc.

therefore, did the society ever try to track each and every member of the 144,000?

Splash

There is a box on every publishers ministry record card to say if you profess to be one of the anointed or not.

Here's a copy of one from jwfacts

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Need best info on why Jesus could never have chosen org in 1918?

by GodZoo in

hi folks... i was playing a tiny online ipad multiplayer war game last night and one started a dialogue with a another player i was attacking.

in it he quoted a scripture.. and it turns out he he is a 25 year serving jw.

possibly an elder... well.. i spent 6 hours tapping away with one finger in the chat box until 8am this morning with him about all the issues on sex abuse, the money grab and most importantly the subject of jesus turning his attention to the earth and selecting the then bibles students as his one and only people based on what they were teaching (spiritual food) back then.. he knows nothing about any of the current and historic child sex abuse cases (never heard of candice conti etc) and even less about the insane early teachings or russell etc.. i completely blew his mind in our 6 hour text chat not to mention my index finger nearly falling off!.

Splash

Or we could apply the very latest WT thinking to this account of Daniel and the tree dream, which is that unless there is a clear indication to do so, we do not look for types and antitypes.

There is no clear indication that this dream meant anything other than Nebuchadnezzar being humbled for 7 years, which happened during Daniels lifetime. Any meaning beyond this is pure conjecture.

Also thrown into the mix is that the 7 'times' are said to begin in 607 BCE. This start date is wrong.
Finally, the sign of WW2 is meant to prove this date but in reality we know that WW2 began months before this prophetic date arrives.

Add this speculative prophecy to an incorrect start date, and you have the foundation for the core JW belief of 1914.

JW's are told to look at the sign in Mt 24 and particularly note that no individual sign means anything special, only when they all occur together. The same is true for the reasoning about 7 times and 1914.

If just one part was proved to be wrong then you could maybe explain it away saying "well the rest is true, we just need to understand that one part better".
When you see that every component part of that interpretation is wrong, it is a sign that you should not believe it.

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Elderly sister disgusted with obscene Bethel 'Happy Song'

by Esse quam videri in

it is reported that one elderly sister in british columbia expressed complete disgust at what she considered an obscene act in the bethel 'happy song'.

now everything is, of course, subject to perspective.

i would imagine her perspective is just as valuable as anyone elses.

Splash

If all I have to explain to God is why I didn't visit bethel, I'll take that.

I wouldn't want to be in TOMO's shoes for everything he has to explain himself for.

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I just realized something that I didn't realize before

by Island Man in

jws teach that only the anointed should partake of the emblems at the memorial because they are in the new covenant but the rest of jws are not.. well, if we follow that logic, shouldn't they also teach that only the anointed should pray in jesus' name?

they teach that jesus is the mediator between jehovah and the anointed only and that the "other sheep" are going to be beneficiaries of the new covenant but are not party to it.

the exact same reasoning applies to the memorial - the anointed are in the covenant but the "other sheep" are not.

Splash

Wasn't there a recent WT which said Jesus is the mediator for the 144,000 but is an intercessor for the Great Crowd?

It was something like that.

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Wonderful video resource which has to be seen in full to be appreciated.

by TerryWalstrom in

i highly recommend you watch this video.. it is superbly researched.

you know all the things in this video already--but.

watching it will create an impression on you which.

Splash

Watched it Terry, great recommendation, thank you.

I'd love to have been there to reveal my elder and convention speaker knowledge - it would have blown their minds.

Still, she did a Stirling job and it was very accurate.

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Some Watchtower growth projection numbers (5 scenarios)

by Saintbertholdt in

i've been doing some watchtower membership growth projections.

the best, worst and most lightly future scenarios.

i've used the worlds population as a barometer of future watchtower growth.

Splash

What great fun, playing with numbers!

My only observation is that the age contour of current jw's is not linear.

I think there are many more older ones than younger ones, and while the nett intake remains low, those exiting (through death) will increase.

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Comprehensive NWT Comparison Project (calling all technically skilled members)

by Apognophos in

is anyone aware if this project is already being done by someone?

if not, perhaps we can brainstorm how to go about this, now that the pdf for the revised nwt is out.

a couple initial impressions:.

Splash

I agree with fastJehu, it's polite to say hello first!

In case you're in a hurry, one of the PDF's is here.

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Is it Wrong to Doubt or Even Disagree With the GB? The Watchtower Reasoning....

by freemindfade in

this would be a good one for jw apologist who scream and panic with anyone who feels the moral direction of the wt publishing company has gone astray.

a comment at the bible highlights last night blew my mind, here is the article that was referenced.

btw this account always bothered me, remember when it was in a drama?

Splash

Sticking with Aaron, it was he who made the golden calf and altar, yet 3,000 people were murdered as a consequence when Moses turned up.

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Power blackout during the meeting tonight!

by stuckinarut2 in

it was so funny!.

the small rented hall our congregation uses had a blackout.

we think there was some construction work next door that caused it.. at least the glow of everyone's tablets and cell phones kept the place illuminated!.

Splash

All convention attendants in the UK have to carry a torch as part of their mandated equipment.
You might want to check out the Nitecore MH12 / MH20!

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Power blackout during the meeting tonight!

by stuckinarut2 in

it was so funny!.

the small rented hall our congregation uses had a blackout.

we think there was some construction work next door that caused it.. at least the glow of everyone's tablets and cell phones kept the place illuminated!.

Splash

We had a local resident inconsiderately park their car outside our kingdom hall gates, bearing in mind the hall is in a residential street where no one has a driveway, so they all have to park in the street and it gets busy.

Inside the hall the old sisters were going around proclaiming 'persecution' and hatred for God's people.

I explained that it's never happened before in over 40 years, so that person probably just made a mistake.

Fear is ever present with them.