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  Looks like Jan 2014 WT missed some dates in this paragraph...anyone want to fill in some dates the GB missed out?

  by KateWild in

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  12 since the establishment of the kingdom in 1914, the king has refined the way gods servants are organized to do his fathers will.

  (read isaiah 60:17.

  ) in 1919, a service director was appointed in each congregation to take the lead in the preaching work.

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  Hilarious DD,

  Thanks for posting!

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  Why was Homosexual Sex not grounds for Divorce? WTS Views Against Christendom's New Light?

  by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why did the watchtower downplay homosexual sex acts preventing a innocent spouse from remarrying?

  there are groups through various countries who don't believe homosexual sex is "fornication" and men are allowed to keep their wives and men can go on "the down low" possibly infecting women with h.i.v., why did it take decades for the watchtower to say homosexual acts are grounds for a divorce?

  the watchtower's teachings are the most unstable of all the fringe religious groups in america, they can't get things right that christendom knew about for thousands of years (almost two thousands to the critics), so why follow a group who can't read the bible?.

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  Hi DOC,

  I was thinking of these two, both from 1983...

  w83 3/15 p. 31 Honor Godly Marriage! - "What, though, if one mate wants or even demands to share with his or her partner in what is clearly a perverted sex practice? The above-presented facts show that porneia involves unlawful sexual conduct outside the marital arrangement. Thus, a mate’s enforcing perverted acts, such as oral or anal sex, within the marriage would not constitute a Scriptural basis for a divorce that would free either for remarriage"

  No-one else's business! - w83 3/15 p. 31 Honor Godly Marriage! - "As already stated, it is not for elders to "police" the private marital matters of couples in the congregation."

  I see where you're coming from because it doesn't explicitly mention df'ing. However, since it's not pornea any longer, you cannot be df'd for that.

  I guess you're right that if an elder body so decided, they could maybe give you a hard time using brazen conduct now, or some such despite being told not to police anyone's sex life aymore.

  Thanks for clarifying.

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  The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

  by THE GLADIATOR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  january 2014 watchtower study article.

  let your kingdom comebut when?.

  this generation will not pass away.

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  What is the Bible's definition of a Generation:

  35 years: (Job 42:16, 17) "And Job continued living after this a hundred and forty years and came to see his sons and his grandsons—four generations.

  37 years: Jerusalem was destroyed about 37 years later when Jesus said "this generation will by no means pass away"

  38 years: Deut 2:14 - And the days that we walked from Ka′desh-bar′ne·a until we crossed the torrent valley of Ze′red were thirty-eight years, until all the generation of the men of war had come to their end.

  (Mt 1:17) "All the generations, then, from Abraham until David were fourteen generations, and from David until the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon until the Christ fourteen generations":

  - Abraham to David : 2018BCE -> 1107BCE /14 generations = 65 years

  - David to deportation : 1107BCE -> 617BCE / 14 generations = 35 years

  - Deportation to Christ : 617BCE -> 29CE / 14 generations = 46 years

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  Why was Homosexual Sex not grounds for Divorce? WTS Views Against Christendom's New Light?

  by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why did the watchtower downplay homosexual sex acts preventing a innocent spouse from remarrying?

  there are groups through various countries who don't believe homosexual sex is "fornication" and men are allowed to keep their wives and men can go on "the down low" possibly infecting women with h.i.v., why did it take decades for the watchtower to say homosexual acts are grounds for a divorce?

  the watchtower's teachings are the most unstable of all the fringe religious groups in america, they can't get things right that christendom knew about for thousands of years (almost two thousands to the critics), so why follow a group who can't read the bible?.

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  Splash

  Following on from Quarterback's accurate explanation, for the same reason the WT also taught that you could not get a divorce if your partner was caught committng bestiality.

  If you divorced your partner then remarried, you were disfellowshipped for adultery.

  Conversely, you could be disfellowshipped for practising 'perverse acts' with your marriage partner, but this has since been rescinded.

  I wonder how many divorced their partners for such 'peverse acts', only to later find out that their divorce and remarry was no longer seen as legitimate and clean, leaving them in an adulterous marriage.

  As the WT kindly said in w83 3/15 p. 31 Honor Godly Marriage! "Those who acted on the basis of the knowledge they had at the time are not to be criticized. Nor would this affect the standing of a person who in the past believed that a mate’s perverted sexual conduct within marriage amounted to porneia and, hence, obtained a divorce and is now remarried."

  How nice.

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  The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

  by THE GLADIATOR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  january 2014 watchtower study article.

  let your kingdom comebut when?.

  this generation will not pass away.

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  SFPW: b : a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously

  Thank you for that dictionary definition of 'generation'. Please note that it says 'a group', not 'two groups'.

  Maybe you should have looked up 'contemporaneously' as well: "existing, occurring, or originating during the same time", therefore not 60 years apart.

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  My decision to openly greet df persons in the hall

  by Daniel1555 in

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  2. friends

  at the moment i am still going to all the meetings (for family reasons).. we have at the moment 1 df person who regularly comes (already df for 1.5 years).. when i opened him the door i always greeted him but in the hall i didn't as others could see it.. now i decided that my conscience can not bear this any longer.

  i will greet him also in the hall or when others are around.. if any elders notice it and talk to me, i tell them my conscience does not allow to not greet that person.. did any of you do that too and have some experiences?.

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  I used to speak with them as well - not loads of chatter, just asking how they were, it was good to see them - that sort of thing.

  To my mind there was a difference between someone who was df'd and didn't want the JW's, and those who were df'd and were trying hard, over many months, to get reinstated.

  An elder once asked me why I was talking to them, since I wasn't an elder. I asked him to show me from the scriptures where that differentiation was made. End of conversation.

  My opinion was that Jesus wouldn't punish a right hearted person who had made some mistakes, he would help and encourage them.

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  1969 – The Generation That Will Not Pass Away

  by processor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2013/10/1969-the-generation-that-will-not-pass-away/.

  1969 the generation that will not pass awayas recorded at luke 21:24, jesus said: jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.

  jerusalem had been the seat of rulership of the line of kings from the house of king david, who sat on jehovahs throne as representatives of god himself.

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  WHO SAW THE START OF 'THAT GENERATION'?

  WT September 1 1952, page 543
  "Some persons living in A.D. 1914 when the series of foretold events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon. "All the events will come within the span of a generation."

  From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained, page 205 (1958)
  "Many are the people alive since 1914 who will still be living when it is time for Armageddon to begin."

  Awake! October 8 1968, page 13
  "Jesus was obviously speaking about those who were old enough to witness with understanding what took place when the last days began. Even if we presume that youngsters 15 years of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914."

  Yearbook 1969
  What did Jesus mean when he spoke of a ‘generation that would not pass away’? The Greek word rendered “generation” in the Bible has been defined as, “Those born at the same time.” This definition embraces both those born around the time of a historic event and all those alive at that time.

  If Jesus used “generation” in that sense and we apply it to 1969, then the babies of that generation are now 45 years old or older. And others alive in 1969 are in their 50’s or 60’s. There are still many millions of that generation alive. Some of them “will by no means pass away until all things occur.” – Luke 21:32.

  WT October 15 1980, page 31
  "It is the generation of people who saw the catastrophic events that broke forth in connection with World War I from 1914 onward ... If you assume that 10 is the age at which an event creates a lasting impression... "

  WT October 1 1978, page 31
  "Thus, when it comes to the application in our time, the 'generation' logically would not apply to babies born during World War I."

  WT May 15 1984, page 5
  "If Jesus used "generation" in that sense and we apply it to 1914, then the babies of that generation are now 70 years old or older. ... Some of them will "by no means pass away until all things occur"."

  Awake! April 8 1988, page 14
  "Most of the generation of 1914 has passed away. However, there are still millions on earth who were born in that year or prior to it. ... Jesus' words will come true, "this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened"."

  WTOctober 15, 1988page 4 "The Sign — Are You Heeding It?"
  "Might it be, though, that the sign could occur over the span of many human generations? No. The sign is to occur during one particular generation. The same generation that witnessed the beginning of the sign will also witness its climax"

  WT April 15, 2010, "Holy Spirit’s Role in the Outworking of Jehovah’s Purpose". para 13 - 14:
  "How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ words about "this generation"? He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation.

  WT Jan 15, 2014 p.31 para.15 "Let Your Kingdom Come", But When?
  We understand that in mentioning “this generation,” Jesus was referring to two groups of anointed Christians. The first group was on hand in 1914, and they readily discerned the sign of Christ’s presence in that year. Those who made up this group were not merely alive in 1914, but they were spirit-anointed as sons of God in or before that year. —Rom. 8:14-17.

  16 The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the first group. They were not simply alive during the lifetime of those in the first group, but they were anointed with holy spirit during the time that those of the first group were still on earth. Thus, not every anointed person today is included in “this generation” of whom Jesus spoke. Today, those in this second group are themselves advancing in years... at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation.
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  Maybe I'm the bad guy after all

  by braincleaned in

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  2. experiences

  maybe i'm the bad guy after all.

  my mom and sis love me and still talk to me, although i'm clearly an apostate.

  their loophole?

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  Splash

  The grieving process, all over again.

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  Witnesses going rogue - trying to blend in with the world

  by BluePill2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it's been a couple of years now since i left the pink-pony-world of the watchtower real estate & money laundering inc.. out of curiosity i researched a couple of "brothers" to see if they are still in, what they are up these days, etc.

  using linkedin, facebook, and other online research i come up with this:.

  1. branch committee member lothar mihank (formerly in nicaragua, now branch committee in indonesia) presents himself in linkedin as "ceo of ssyi" and tries to pass the borg as some kind of corporation (which is what they are).

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  Nice research BP2.

  I'm simultaneously amazed and yet not suprised. There's an ego at a certain level of the Soc, and that can now be fed using social networks.

  The continuous counsel is to not strive for a career, but these 'humble' men crave recognition and so doctor their experience to try to look like successful career men.

  It's a shame there's no mention of secular qualifications, since just about every other CEO out there would have papers to prove their hard work and worth, and not just 20 years of pushing doorbells full time. It would be good to use the position descriptions these men advertise as goals for the up and coming publishers in the congregations.

  Despite this self-aggrandising deception, be certain that if they ever were to be interviewed for an equivalent position outside the Soc, they would be laughed out of town. In fact we had a thread on something similar earlier this year, here on jw.net.

  Let them have their glory before men if they feel they need it, underneath they know they're stuck in a hopeless life of servitude to another man who is probably even less qualified than they are. I bet they don't like to consider their retirement provisions in comparison to those who actually work for a living.

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  Are JW's scared of visiting apostate websites?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i believe they are.

  i think it's their biggest fear besides dying at armageddon.. there's a saying that anyone who reads ray franz's books is never the same again.

  i think many jw's secretly know that there is information out there that would almost certaintly seriously damage their truth in their religion, and they are terrified of it.. they would rather keep their heads firmly stuck in the sand than even take a peek at critical information that might begin a slippery slope leading to the collapse of their unique worldview.. jw doing their version of the islam prayer:.

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  SFPW: "Why do ex-JWs resort to insults and condescending posts whenever a believer states his or her stance?"

  Come now SFPW, insults and condescending posts? Have you read some of your comments on here????
  I'm sure you wouldn't like me to go back through them and remind you.

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