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The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

by THE GLADIATOR in

january 2014 watchtower study article.

let your kingdom comebut when?.

this generation will not pass away.

Splash

Previously in this thread I posted:

Group 1: Born 1894. Anointed at 20 in 1914. Died at 80 in 1974
Group 2: Born 1954. Anointed at 20 in 1974. Dies at 80 in 2034

But I see now I have to revise it to add an earlier line, also Group 1:

Group 1: Born 1834. Anointed at 20 in 1854. Died at 80 in 1914
Group 1: Born 1894. Anointed at 20 in 1914. Died at 80 in 1974
Group 2: Born 1954. Anointed at 20 in 1974. Dies at 80 in 2034

This illustrates that the first group could be made up from people who were born anywhere between 1834-1894, who were anointed by 20 and lived for 80 years.

This means that 'this generation' extends from 1834 - 2034. A nice round 200 year old 'generation' which quite contradicts the w10 4/15 article which stated:
"we do well to keep in mind several things about the word “generation”: It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; it is not excessively long;"

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Sighhhhhhhh, the Draw Close to Jehovah book again for the Congregation Bible Study.

by Stand for Pure Worship in

jw
friends

check out this gem from the dec 2013 km which explains why it's good to over this book a second go round.. "congregations previously considered this book during 2004 and 2005. however,for many of the approximately two million publishers who have come into the truth since then,this will be the first time that jehovahs endearing qualities have been discussed in detail.for those who studied the book before, the review will help them to deepen their appreciation forjehovahs attributes.ps.119:14".

i gotta kick out of this because i can only think of maybe two or three new ones in our congregation who weren't present when this book was first studied.

at the same time, going over jehovah's qualities isn't something new.

Splash

DOC What was the NET increase? How many left?

Service Year	Peak Pubs	Increase	% over previous year	Baptised	% over previous year	Memorial	Partakers	Congs	Lands	Left or Died
2003-04	6,513,132	83,781	1.303	262,416	1.38	16,760,607	8,570	96,894	235	178,635
2004-05	6,613,829	100,697	1.546	247,631	-5.63	16,383,333	8,524	98,269	235	146,934
2005-06	6,741,444	127,615	1.930	248,327	0.28	16,675,113	8,758	99,770	236	120,712
2006-07	6,957,854	216,410	3.210	298,304	20.13	17,672,443	9,105	101,376	236	81,894
2007-08	7,124,443	166,589	2.394	289,678	-2.89	17,790,631	9,986	103,267	236	123,089
2008-09	7,313,173	188,730	2.649	276,233	-4.64	18,168,323	10,857	105,298	236	87,503
2009-10	7,508,050	194,877	2.665	294,368	6.57	18,706,895	11,202	107,000	236	99,491
2010-11	7,659,019	150,969	2.011	263,131	-10.61	19,374,737	11,824	109,403	236	112,162
2011-12	7,782,346	123,327	1.610	268,777	2.15	19,013,343	12,604	111,719	239	145,450
2012-13	7,965,954	183,608	2.359	277,344	3.19					93,736

So roughly 2.2 million were baptised from 05-06 onwards.
At the same time about 864,000 left or died.
Nett increase since 04-05 is just over 1,350,000. This is the equivilent of 2.4% per year.

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The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

by THE GLADIATOR in

january 2014 watchtower study article.

let your kingdom comebut when?.

this generation will not pass away.

Splash

Hi DD,

Good additional info!

Can I propose you call your first sub group 'other sheep', but not a 'Great Crowd of other sheep'?
I'm thinking of John 10:16 "I have other sheep which are not of this fold". Jesus was speaking in the present tense (which raises other questions ).

Splash

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The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

by THE GLADIATOR in

january 2014 watchtower study article.

let your kingdom comebut when?.

this generation will not pass away.

Splash

Hi Fisherman,

No problem in you or anyone asserting your view - I like to call it 'discussion'

If we're talking technicalities then you are correct - the WT does not allocate ages to the groups they refer to. They will never do this and they will never give start and end years for 'this generation'. They like to deal in generalities so they have lots of wriggle room later.

If we're talking about what they seem to be impressing on the flock(s), then the two groups must be distanced by age, otherwise it does not achieve their goal of covering over their last false prediction for 'this generation' while adding sufficient (but not too much) additional time for the coming of the GT.

If there isn't a large number of years between the two groups then either this new light is about to be proven wrong when all those from around 1914 die out, or the GT will be in the next 2 or 3 years, which the WT do not seem to be saying either.

For me, when I read their latest explanation, they are putting another 20 years on the meter.

Splash

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The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

by THE GLADIATOR in

january 2014 watchtower study article.

let your kingdom comebut when?.

this generation will not pass away.

Splash

The sentence they use is this one:

*** w10 4/15 p. 10 par. 14 Holy Spirit’s Role in the Outworking of Jehovah’s Purpose ***
"He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 [group 1] would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation [group 2]."

In other words, no one group (I keep wanting to call them 'generation'!) would see both the 1914 sign and the Great Tribulation.
It will require that two groups, two life-spans, need to overlap.

Splash

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The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

by THE GLADIATOR in

january 2014 watchtower study article.

let your kingdom comebut when?.

this generation will not pass away.

Splash

Hi Fisherman, your explanation confused me a little bit.

The whole point of the new definition of GENERATION is that it doesn't need one single person to see the events from start to finish, the start to finish can be witnesed by two different people who's lives overlap.

And by overlap I don't mean one born in 1894 overlaps with one born in 1915, but rather one born in 1894 overlaps with one born in, say, 1954. eg.

Group 1: Born 1894. Anointed at 20 in 1914. Died at 80 in 1974
Group 2: Born 1954. Anointed at 20 in 1974. Dies at 80 in 2034

So Group 2 'just' overlaps Group 1 while both are anointed in 1974.

So adapting Pixels comment from above, the anointed now have:
1. Anointed who are pre-'this generation' (eg Apostles). These lived and died before 1914.
2. Anointed of the First Group of 'this generation'. These witnessed 1914 while anointed.
3. Anointed of the Second Group of 'this generation'. These overlapped the First Group while anointed themselves.
4. Anointed who are post-'this generation'. These were born after all of the First Group died.

All anointed in points 1. and 2. are now dead.
So all anointed on the earth today, including our FDS, consist of men from both point 3. and point 4.

It's really not that difficult.
Jesus explained all of this very clearly in his statement "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur".

Splash

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587 BC vs 607 BC: VAT 4956

by Londo111 in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5ckh0lhmf4&list=plynx0om_bmgcurq9a8qz4xy6yrlznyx-l&index=6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkau04g-bmi&list=plynx0om_bmgcurq9a8qz4xy6yrlznyx-l&index=7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szllngobifm&list=plynx0om_bmgcurq9a8qz4xy6yrlznyx-l&index=8.

Splash

This is an outstanding series.
You need to get the index link published much more widely for people to watch these:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyNx0oM_bmgBFMnAPjR_V5Fe9_pf8sQA1

Splash

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How to get through an Assembly?

by kaxozula in

jw
friends

me just learning the truth about the truth has just made it hard to even get through a two hour meeting at the the kingdom hall.

i get so sleepy during them and i almost cannot contain it!

the last time i went to a convention, i was still an avid believer but as you can see, that has changed.

Splash

Volunteer. It gives the impression you are giving your all to the organisation, and it gives you a chance to do something and stay awake.

They are always looking for volunteers. Try being an attendant if you fancy stretching your legs.

Splash.

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Sighhhhhhhh, the Draw Close to Jehovah book again for the Congregation Bible Study.

by Stand for Pure Worship in

jw
friends

check out this gem from the dec 2013 km which explains why it's good to over this book a second go round.. "congregations previously considered this book during 2004 and 2005. however,for many of the approximately two million publishers who have come into the truth since then,this will be the first time that jehovahs endearing qualities have been discussed in detail.for those who studied the book before, the review will help them to deepen their appreciation forjehovahs attributes.ps.119:14".

i gotta kick out of this because i can only think of maybe two or three new ones in our congregation who weren't present when this book was first studied.

at the same time, going over jehovah's qualities isn't something new.

Splash

And it's so old, you can't even download an epub version from their website - they only have it there as a PDF.
That's going to be rubbish for studying and following along on a tablet. Some ereaders don't even support PDF.

I looked for it online a moment ago, selected 'Books' and sorted in Newest First order. Five pages of publications came up.

Guess which page this book was on - yeah you got it, the last page, third from last book.
Only 'My Book of Bible Stories' and 'The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived' are older!

Splash.

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this week's wt study

by thedog1 in

i conducted the wt study tonight on higher education.

i wondered what the reaction of the bros and sis would be.

there was no deviation from the idea that a university education is not a good idea.

Splash

For anyone wanting to get higher education, just refer to the 1992 WT article for justification and say you didn't know they had changed their minds.
Or if you have a degree say you got it when the WT left the decision up to us.
Or say you are hoping to become a lawyer for the WT, since the WT has degree qualified lawyers in its' ranks.
Ditto for Fund managers, Architects, Doctors, Dentists, Nurses, Draughtsmen, Project Managers, Pilots...

w92 11/1 p. 20 pars. 17-19 Education With a Purpose
"If Christian parents responsibly decide to provide their children with further education after high school, that is their prerogative."

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